may want to sell - price help please

surpera1 · 09-14-2010, 12:49 PM

i have a byf 41 luger , mismatched , appears to have been refinished at some point , black widow grips , front sight appears to be a replacement , some pitting in bore , no rust , some scratches etc , with a repro holster , loading tool , and 2 original non matching magazines - trying to put a good price on it - i have been told $600 ? any input would be most welcome

surpera1 · 09-14-2010, 12:56 PM

oops

Norme · 09-14-2010, 01:05 PM

Hi James, Welcome to the forum. May we see close ups of the two magazine bases, and the insides of the black plastic grips. Your rig may be worth a little more than $600.00. Regards, Norm

surpera1 · 09-14-2010, 01:07 PM

yeah - sure - probably be tommorow before i can take more pix - one mag base is wood - the other alloy - i know lugers can command some bucks -

DavidJayUden · 09-14-2010, 01:54 PM

Depending on a few variables, I'd speculate that you have a bit more there than $600. But not a lot, maybe $750-$800, but that is last-man-out retail and again depends on the value of the magazines, grips, etc.
dju

George Anderson · 09-14-2010, 04:11 PM

Assuming the grips are real bakelite grips you should take them off and offer them on Ebay. Your return should be about $300. If the magazine is real take it out and sell it $125 plus. Then replace the mag with a Mecgar mag and the grips with reproduction grips and sell the gun for $700. It's all a matter of maximizing your potential.

In the meat business we called it "breaking" as in breaking cattle; the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole.

surpera1 · 09-15-2010, 12:11 PM

now there is some advice i can really use - thanks a bunch

surpera1 · 09-16-2010, 01:54 PM

more pix

tau-delt · 09-16-2010, 06:28 PM

Thanks for the pictures. IMO the grips are not original and the first mag is post war. I also believe the holster is a reproduction.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-16-2010, 06:39 PM

Dave is spot on. Holster is a decent repro..but a repro. Mags are not right. Grips are not right. Hard to say about the pistol without opening it up and looking it over. Or better yet shooting it because that's what you have here. A decent shooter rig.

Assuming the grips are real (not) bakelite grips you should take them off and offer them on Ebay. Your return should be about$00 If the magazine is (not)Keep with pistol. Lookd DDR. plus. Then replace the mag with a Mecgar mag and the grips with reproduction grips and

sell the gun for $700. There are a lot of guys looking for a shooter just like this.

Sorry for the bad news!

Jerry Burney

surpera1 · 09-17-2010, 12:52 AM

i know the holster is a repro - so the grips are aftermarket ? no markings on em - the whole gun has obviously been refinished at some point - polished and reblued - i dunno - i think i am just gonna keep it - $700 ish ? not bad imo for a good shooter

alanint · 09-17-2010, 06:18 AM

The threaded holes in the grips were designed to hold the grip screws so they would not get lost. You can see the holes in these grips are way too big to hold the grip screws securely

wdavid431 · 09-17-2010, 07:47 AM

Never the less, it is still a Luger and a nice one. Enjoy it.

tau-delt · 09-17-2010, 09:41 AM

Doug... If you have Don and Joops THE MAUSER PARABELLUM you might read my comments on page 657 about the holes in the grips.

When I first started the study on black grips I thought the holes were for the screws but IMO they were the function of how they removed the grips from the molds and the fact that SOME of the holes will actually take a grip screw is coincidental.

Lugerdoc · 09-17-2010, 10:22 AM

I believe that the grips shown are Finnish postwar replacements. TH

jussi16 · 09-17-2010, 12:54 PM

Hello Doc!
I disagree. Those grips are not similar with the finnish post war ones.
I had to open my treasure chest and look. I don`t have a pic, but they are not the same. The mould is not the same.
Maybe a one more copy made recently...

Regards
jussi

jussi16 · 09-17-2010, 01:08 PM

And one more test...
Mine click and clack like bakelite...
Not plastic..

jussi

surpera1 · 09-17-2010, 01:39 PM

they are very hard like bakelite - but i am no expert - i do think i am gonna keep it and sell something else - just too hard to part with

surpera1 · 09-18-2010, 02:25 AM

any speculation as to where the refinish took place ? i always wondered

surpera1 · 08-16-2011, 02:51 PM

been a long time guys - thinking i might sell again - anyone interested ? shoot me a PM - this is a complete shooter rig - everything works perfectly - never had a jam - $700 plus shipping
i ship immediately upon receiving payment - i know i am gonna kick myself for doing this -

09-14-2010, 12:49 PM	#1
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	may want to sell - price help please i have a byf 41 luger , mismatched , appears to have been refinished at some point , black widow grips , front sight appears to be a replacement , some pitting in bore , no rust , some scratches etc , with a repro holster , loading tool , and 2 original non matching magazines - trying to put a good price on it - i have been told $600 ? any input would be most welcome Attached Thumbnails

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surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	oops Attached Thumbnails

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09-16-2010, 06:28 PM	#9
tau-delt User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Thanks for the pictures. IMO the grips are not original and the first mag is post war. I also believe the holster is a reproduction. __________________ dave

09-16-2010, 06:39 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Dave is spot on. Holster is a decent repro..but a repro. Mags are not right. Grips are not right. Hard to say about the pistol without opening it up and looking it over. Or better yet shooting it because that's what you have here. A decent shooter rig. Assuming the grips are real (not) bakelite grips you should take them off and offer them on Ebay. Your return should be about$00 If the magazine is (not)Keep with pistol. Lookd DDR. plus. Then replace the mag with a Mecgar mag and the grips with reproduction grips and sell the gun for $700. There are a lot of guys looking for a shooter just like this. Sorry for the bad news! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-14-2010, 01:05 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi James, Welcome to the forum. May we see close ups of the two magazine bases, and the insides of the black plastic grips. Your rig may be worth a little more than $600.00. Regards, Norm

09-14-2010, 01:07 PM	#4
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yeah - sure - probably be tommorow before i can take more pix - one mag base is wood - the other alloy - i know lugers can command some bucks -

09-14-2010, 01:54 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Depending on a few variables, I'd speculate that you have a bit more there than $600. But not a lot, maybe $750-$800, but that is last-man-out retail and again depends on the value of the magazines, grips, etc. dju

09-14-2010, 04:11 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Assuming the grips are real bakelite grips you should take them off and offer them on Ebay. Your return should be about $300. If the magazine is real take it out and sell it $125 plus. Then replace the mag with a Mecgar mag and the grips with reproduction grips and sell the gun for $700. It's all a matter of maximizing your potential. In the meat business we called it "breaking" as in breaking cattle; the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole.

09-15-2010, 12:11 PM	#7
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	now there is some advice i can really use - thanks a bunch

09-17-2010, 12:52 AM	#11
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i know the holster is a repro - so the grips are aftermarket ? no markings on em - the whole gun has obviously been refinished at some point - polished and reblued - i dunno - i think i am just gonna keep it - $700 ish ? not bad imo for a good shooter

09-17-2010, 06:18 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The threaded holes in the grips were designed to hold the grip screws so they would not get lost. You can see the holes in these grips are way too big to hold the grip screws securely

09-17-2010, 07:47 AM	#13
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Never the less, it is still a Luger and a nice one. Enjoy it. __________________ W David

09-17-2010, 09:41 AM	#14
tau-delt User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Doug... If you have Don and Joops THE MAUSER PARABELLUM you might read my comments on page 657 about the holes in the grips. When I first started the study on black grips I thought the holes were for the screws but IMO they were the function of how they removed the grips from the molds and the fact that SOME of the holes will actually take a grip screw is coincidental. __________________ dave

09-17-2010, 10:22 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	I believe that the grips shown are Finnish postwar replacements. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-17-2010, 12:54 PM	#16
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	Hello Doc! I disagree. Those grips are not similar with the finnish post war ones. I had to open my treasure chest and look. I don`t have a pic, but they are not the same. The mould is not the same. Maybe a one more copy made recently... Regards jussi

09-17-2010, 01:08 PM	#17
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	And one more test... Mine click and clack like bakelite... Not plastic.. jussi

09-17-2010, 01:39 PM	#18
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	they are very hard like bakelite - but i am no expert - i do think i am gonna keep it and sell something else - just too hard to part with

09-18-2010, 02:25 AM	#19
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	any speculation as to where the refinish took place ? i always wondered

08-16-2011, 02:51 PM	#20
surpera1 User Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	been a long time guys - thinking i might sell again - anyone interested ? shoot me a PM - this is a complete shooter rig - everything works perfectly - never had a jam - $700 plus shipping i ship immediately upon receiving payment - i know i am gonna kick myself for doing this -