I Dug Out My Whole Luger Ammunition

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 12:32 PM

I have both a brown box and blue hard to find WW1 unopened dwm 9mm ammo>

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 01:22 PM

I took someclosup of the blue and brown boxes of ww1 luger ammo

Vlim · 08-27-2010, 01:34 PM

Nice boxes. They are from the same production lot. Both being produced, packaged on the 6th of August, 1918 in Spandau. They have the ogival (round nose) bullet.

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 01:55 PM

Thank You so much, I have have a 1717 DWM and a 1913 Erfurt that would fit right in!TKS

the gunman · 08-27-2010, 03:15 PM

Very nice Eric.

Regards Richie

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 03:21 PM

Always a pleasure from the Great Curater, Keepon keeping! My Idol!

Mauser720 · 08-27-2010, 05:10 PM

Gerben -

Was the reason for applying the box label on top of the braided cord to show that the box was was in unopened condition?

Thank you.

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 05:14 PM

Great Issue. The material is glued shut, almost like a seal that no one have ever opened? Ive looked for a navy on the market, Still looking!

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 05:26 PM

Can anyone give some background or History

Ron Wood · 08-27-2010, 07:15 PM

No. 471 is a DWM case designation. So it appears that this is a 50-round box of 7.65mm Luger (Parabellum) DWM ammo with a round-nose bullet, probably pre-WWI

cirelaw · 08-27-2010, 07:20 PM

You are always right on. Any idea to whom it was issued? Commercial or military?? My reason. I would love to have a box of test luger ammo for my display and be correct #6786, Thank You Ralph

Vlim · 08-28-2010, 12:19 PM

Ron (1)

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Yes, the label was applied over the cord in order to act like a seal. It is immediately clear that the package has not been opened.

Eric,

The 471 is indeed 'commercial' ammunition: not procured by the army, but possibly by other branches (police), as well as foreign commercial contracts and normal export and gun shop sales. This box style, together with the serif-style DWM logo on the cases points towards production between 1900 - 1920. I have a similar box, sadly empty, over here.

I think it is completely correct in your test luger display.

cirelaw · 08-28-2010, 12:52 PM

WOW You know your ammo. I still can't find any Navy ammo. I guess most went down with the ship till it occured to me, theres many navys out there and they survived!

Edward Tinker · 08-28-2010, 01:35 PM

Navy ammo wouldn't be marked differently would it?

Vlim · 08-28-2010, 01:40 PM

Initially, especially when the navy were the only 9mm users, they had their own boxes/boxlabels. Later I suppose they just got theirs from the common supply lines.

cirelaw · 08-28-2010, 01:49 PM

Theres a good sample on 'land of borchardt'

08-27-2010, 12:32 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I Dug Out My Whole Luger Ammunition I have both a brown box and blue hard to find WW1 unopened dwm 9mm ammo> Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2010, 01:22 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I took someclosup of the blue and brown boxes of ww1 luger ammo Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2010, 05:10 PM	#7
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Gerben - Was the reason for applying the box label on top of the braided cord to show that the box was was in unopened condition? Thank you. __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

08-27-2010, 05:26 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Can anyone give some background or History Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2010, 07:15 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	No. 471 is a DWM case designation. So it appears that this is a 50-round box of 7.65mm Luger (Parabellum) DWM ammo with a round-nose bullet, probably pre-WWI __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-27-2010, 01:34 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Nice boxes. They are from the same production lot. Both being produced, packaged on the 6th of August, 1918 in Spandau. They have the ogival (round nose) bullet.

08-27-2010, 01:55 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Thank You so much, I have have a 1717 DWM and a 1913 Erfurt that would fit right in!TKS

08-27-2010, 03:15 PM	#5
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Very nice Eric. Regards Richie

08-27-2010, 03:21 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Richy Always a pleasure from the Great Curater, Keepon keeping! My Idol!

08-27-2010, 05:14 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Great Issue. The material is glued shut, almost like a seal that no one have ever opened? Ive looked for a navy on the market, Still looking!

08-27-2010, 07:20 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	You are always right on. Any idea to whom it was issued? Commercial or military?? My reason. I would love to have a box of test luger ammo for my display and be correct #6786, Thank You Ralph Attached Thumbnails

08-28-2010, 12:19 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ron (1) , Yes, the label was applied over the cord in order to act like a seal. It is immediately clear that the package has not been opened. Eric, The 471 is indeed 'commercial' ammunition: not procured by the army, but possibly by other branches (police), as well as foreign commercial contracts and normal export and gun shop sales. This box style, together with the serif-style DWM logo on the cases points towards production between 1900 - 1920. I have a similar box, sadly empty, over here. I think it is completely correct in your test luger display.

08-28-2010, 12:52 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	WOW You know your ammo. I still can't find any Navy ammo. I guess most went down with the ship till it occured to me, theres many navys out there and they survived! Attached Thumbnails

08-28-2010, 01:35 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Navy ammo wouldn't be marked differently would it? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-28-2010, 01:40 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Initially, especially when the navy were the only 9mm users, they had their own boxes/boxlabels. Later I suppose they just got theirs from the common supply lines.

08-28-2010, 01:49 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Theres a good sample on 'land of borchardt'