DWM Mauser Military Rework???

c3006 · 01-04-2010, 10:41 PM

I cant figure this one out either. It has a unmarked chamber with DWM on toggle,crown n on left side,WAa66 under drop wing on right side. SN 4972t. Also has police type sear safe.My pics are bad,they make the straw look better than it is but overall its pretty nice. What yall think.

Jan C Still · 01-05-2010, 12:32 AM

INTRODUCTION
Lugers in the “s", "t" and "u" suffix serial range were manufactured by DWM (BKIW) during 1929 and early 1930. Many went to the Prussian State Landjägerei (force of 9000) and bear “L" unit markings. Others were routed to the German Navy, German Army, Finnish military, to other police units or to commercial sales. These commercial sales included a few two line Stoeger American Eagles. For more details see Third Reich Lugers page 202 to 218, and Weimar Lugers page 13 to 17, 31 to 33, and 146 to 154.

The Landjägerer unit marked Lugers are all (or almost all) confined to the 29 DWM Lugers and many bear an Eagle/WaA66 stamp on the right receiver.

These "s", "t" and "u" serial range Lugers were previously called 1933 Mauser Sneaks in the mistaken belief that the "L" unit markings found on them indicated paramilitary Nazi units and that the Lugers were secretly reworked by Mauser from surplus Imperial Lugers. The unmarked toggles found on many of the 29 DWM’s suggested that an attempt was made to hide the manufacturer from the Allied Control Commission. In fact, the Allied Control Commission had left Germany in 1928. The "L" unit markings signify the Prussian State Police Landjägerei that rearmed with Lugers in 1929 and 1930 (Kornmayer, Wotka, 1988). Magnetic flux testing and careful examination indicate that these Lugers are of new manufacture. Also, there are at least seven 29 DWM Landjägerei Lugers reported matched to 1929 dated police holsters (These 1929 dated holsters are among the first new manufacture police style holsters).

Your 1929 DWM, sn 4972t. marked L.H. 149: Landjagerei Hannover district.
POLICE 29 DWM, SN 3541t, RIG http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ighlight=Luger

c3006 · 01-05-2010, 06:24 AM

Thanks Jan,you just cant beat gettin it striaght from the man. c

alvin · 01-05-2010, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan C Still

Magnetic flux testing and careful examination indicate that these Lugers are of new manufacture.

Is this the mentioned technology used in C&R firearm inspection? TIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux_leakage

Jan C Still · 01-05-2010, 12:39 PM

Alvin
The original stamping of a serial number in the metal of a gun disturbs the metal at a greater depth than the stamped number. When a serial number is filed off a gun Magnetic flux testing can be used to detect the disturbed area and identify the original serial number. Magnetic flux testing has been successful in identifying unit markings ground off the front straps of Imperial unit marked Lugers.
Jan

Mike B · 01-05-2010, 01:27 PM

Jan,
I have an '08 Bulgarian that has been sanitized. Can the procedure that you described above cause the "DWM" over the chamber to be evident?

Mike

Ron Smith · 01-05-2010, 02:59 PM

Magnetic Flux is used by Law enforcement to bring out ground serial numbers. It can be used to bring out any previous stampings or roll marks in the metal. It will locate any up-set or compressed areas in the structure of the metal.

alanint · 01-05-2010, 09:59 PM

This only works with carbon steel firearms. Thieves learned long ago, for instance, to completely cut through the mag well of an AR15 to completely obliterate the serial number.
Many modern guns are aluminum or some alloy. By drilling deep enough all evidence of a serial number is gone....

jamese · 01-06-2010, 09:56 AM

Law enforcement uses the acid method also to bring out ground serial numbers, but it ruins the guns bluing.

Jim

c3006 · 01-06-2010, 04:47 PM

Anybody want to venture a guess at what this piece might be worth?? c

01-04-2010, 10:41 PM	#1
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	DWM Mauser Military Rework??? I cant figure this one out either. It has a unmarked chamber with DWM on toggle,crown n on left side,WAa66 under drop wing on right side. SN 4972t. Also has police type sear safe.My pics are bad,they make the straw look better than it is but overall its pretty nice. What yall think. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

01-05-2010, 06:24 AM	#3
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks Jan,you just cant beat gettin it striaght from the man. c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

01-05-2010, 02:59 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Magnetic Flux is used by Law enforcement to bring out ground serial numbers. It can be used to bring out any previous stampings or roll marks in the metal. It will locate any up-set or compressed areas in the structure of the metal. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-06-2010, 09:56 AM	#9
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Law enforcement uses the acid method also to bring out ground serial numbers, but it ruins the guns bluing. Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

01-06-2010, 04:47 PM	#10
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Anybody want to venture a guess at what this piece might be worth?? c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

01-05-2010, 12:32 AM	#2
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	INTRODUCTION Lugers in the “s", "t" and "u" suffix serial range were manufactured by DWM (BKIW) during 1929 and early 1930. Many went to the Prussian State Landjägerei (force of 9000) and bear “L" unit markings. Others were routed to the German Navy, German Army, Finnish military, to other police units or to commercial sales. These commercial sales included a few two line Stoeger American Eagles. For more details see Third Reich Lugers page 202 to 218, and Weimar Lugers page 13 to 17, 31 to 33, and 146 to 154. The Landjägerer unit marked Lugers are all (or almost all) confined to the 29 DWM Lugers and many bear an Eagle/WaA66 stamp on the right receiver. These "s", "t" and "u" serial range Lugers were previously called 1933 Mauser Sneaks in the mistaken belief that the "L" unit markings found on them indicated paramilitary Nazi units and that the Lugers were secretly reworked by Mauser from surplus Imperial Lugers. The unmarked toggles found on many of the 29 DWM’s suggested that an attempt was made to hide the manufacturer from the Allied Control Commission. In fact, the Allied Control Commission had left Germany in 1928. The "L" unit markings signify the Prussian State Police Landjägerei that rearmed with Lugers in 1929 and 1930 (Kornmayer, Wotka, 1988). Magnetic flux testing and careful examination indicate that these Lugers are of new manufacture. Also, there are at least seven 29 DWM Landjägerei Lugers reported matched to 1929 dated police holsters (These 1929 dated holsters are among the first new manufacture police style holsters). Your 1929 DWM, sn 4972t. marked L.H. 149: Landjagerei Hannover district. POLICE 29 DWM, SN 3541t, RIG http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ighlight=Luger

01-05-2010, 12:39 PM	#5
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Alvin The original stamping of a serial number in the metal of a gun disturbs the metal at a greater depth than the stamped number. When a serial number is filed off a gun Magnetic flux testing can be used to detect the disturbed area and identify the original serial number. Magnetic flux testing has been successful in identifying unit markings ground off the front straps of Imperial unit marked Lugers. Jan

01-05-2010, 01:27 PM	#6
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	Jan, I have an '08 Bulgarian that has been sanitized. Can the procedure that you described above cause the "DWM" over the chamber to be evident? Mike

01-05-2010, 09:59 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	This only works with carbon steel firearms. Thieves learned long ago, for instance, to completely cut through the mag well of an AR15 to completely obliterate the serial number. Many modern guns are aluminum or some alloy. By drilling deep enough all evidence of a serial number is gone....