barrel markings on police rework

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 01:11 PM

These marking are from a 1920 Reichswehr property marked PO8 that at one time went into police service (It has the sear safety). I've been searching around this sight and Jan Still's Gunboards and I cant figure out what these markings mean. Unfortunatly the frame and barrel were polished and reblued which doesn't help. One of the marks I'm certain is a 25 with something above it and the other ??

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 01:15 PM

I guess the pictures didn't work I'll try it again

Don M · 12-06-2009, 03:11 PM

The marking on the upper right of the barrel may be the Berlin police armory proof PTV/E (or TP/E, if 1935 or later) which would be consistent with rebarreling by the police. I can't tell anything about the other stamp. More info about the gun and better photos may help.

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 04:06 PM

Thanks for the quick reply. I've posted a few more pics. Seriel # 3052 a

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 04:08 PM

I think this is better

Don M · 12-06-2009, 04:40 PM

I can't really tell from the photos but the other stamp may be a Simson acceptance stamp E/33 or E/6, indicating the barrel was purchased from Simson by the police armory. It may also be from some other supplier. Is there a single digit number on the bottom of the barrel?

The 1920 on the chamber is the manufacture date, not the government property stamp. It is consistent with the serial number 3052a.

Is there anything stamped on the front grip strap?

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 04:53 PM

I cropped the picture.

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 04:57 PM

There is no other #s on the strap or under the barrel. Here's a couple more photos.

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 05:01 PM

Here's an interesting mark

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 05:08 PM

I was told this was a very early possibly first issue PO8.

Edward Tinker · 12-06-2009, 05:45 PM

SU 25 is a stamp sometimes claimed as a rework or simply a issue stamping.

This was an early 1908 (stamped with proofs and acceptance as expected on the left) and then the gun was modified with a hold open; this is shown with your picture of the acceptance marking on the right of the frame.

Then stamped with 1920 reichswehr property stamping; thats not a date and then went into police service at soem point.

Ed

Don M · 12-06-2009, 05:55 PM

Now that I see the rest of the photos, I agree with Ed.

alanint · 12-06-2009, 05:59 PM

Your stamp on the side of the receiver is the arsenal proof when a holdopen was added, which original P08s did not have...

lutthier · 12-06-2009, 06:49 PM

Thanks guys,

I was told by a friend that the smaller mark was from an added hold open, which indicated an early luger, but I wanted to double check. Sorry about the piecemeal photos, but the files were huge and I could only do one or two at a time.

Was the SU above the 25? That would explain the mark above the 25. What about the other faint stamp?

You guys are amazing. I don't know how you keep all this stuff straight, but I'm glad your willing to share you information.

12-06-2009, 01:11 PM	#1
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	barrel markings on police rework These marking are from a 1920 Reichswehr property marked PO8 that at one time went into police service (It has the sear safety). I've been searching around this sight and Jan Still's Gunboards and I cant figure out what these markings mean. Unfortunatly the frame and barrel were polished and reblued which doesn't help. One of the marks I'm certain is a 25 with something above it and the other ??

12-06-2009, 01:15 PM	#2
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I guess the pictures didn't work I'll try it again Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 03:11 PM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The marking on the upper right of the barrel may be the Berlin police armory proof PTV/E (or TP/E, if 1935 or later) which would be consistent with rebarreling by the police. I can't tell anything about the other stamp. More info about the gun and better photos may help. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

12-06-2009, 04:06 PM	#4
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the quick reply. I've posted a few more pics. Seriel # 3052 a Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 04:08 PM	#5
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think this is better Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 04:40 PM	#6
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	I can't really tell from the photos but the other stamp may be a Simson acceptance stamp E/33 or E/6, indicating the barrel was purchased from Simson by the police armory. It may also be from some other supplier. Is there a single digit number on the bottom of the barrel? The 1920 on the chamber is the manufacture date, not the government property stamp. It is consistent with the serial number 3052a. Is there anything stamped on the front grip strap? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

12-06-2009, 04:53 PM	#7
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I cropped the picture. Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 04:57 PM	#8
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is no other #s on the strap or under the barrel. Here's a couple more photos. Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 05:01 PM	#9
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here's an interesting mark Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 05:08 PM	#10
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was told this was a very early possibly first issue PO8. Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2009, 05:45 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	SU 25 is a stamp sometimes claimed as a rework or simply a issue stamping. This was an early 1908 (stamped with proofs and acceptance as expected on the left) and then the gun was modified with a hold open; this is shown with your picture of the acceptance marking on the right of the frame. Then stamped with 1920 reichswehr property stamping; thats not a date and then went into police service at soem point. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-06-2009, 05:55 PM	#12
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Now that I see the rest of the photos, I agree with Ed. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

12-06-2009, 05:59 PM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Your stamp on the side of the receiver is the arsenal proof when a holdopen was added, which original P08s did not have...

12-06-2009, 06:49 PM	#14
lutthier User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CT Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys, I was told by a friend that the smaller mark was from an added hold open, which indicated an early luger, but I wanted to double check. Sorry about the piecemeal photos, but the files were huge and I could only do one or two at a time. Was the SU above the 25? That would explain the mark above the 25. What about the other faint stamp? You guys are amazing. I don't know how you keep all this stuff straight, but I'm glad your willing to share you information.