WW1 Luger with KAGGR1 marking

suum cuique · 09-17-2009, 08:28 PM

Gentlemen,
did somebody ever saw a Luger with a unit marking:
KAGGR or KAGGR1 ?
Thanks

klaus 3338 · 09-18-2009, 07:44 AM

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

yes, I know it is the Alexander-Rgt.
I 've collected alot of items of this Regiment during the last 20 years.
Here you can see our great-grandfather Franz. He is wearing a miter and a clarinette:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_...Regiment_Nr._1

I'm looking for a luger with the KAGGR / KAGGR1 marking, but I am not sure if a luger with this marking even exists.

jussi16 · 09-18-2009, 05:28 PM

Hello!

Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great!

In my country we don`t have any monarchs...
Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war...

Mostly peasants and such..

For more, see Internet.

Sorry for my irony.

No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

Ron Wood · 09-18-2009, 05:54 PM

Andy,
I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment.

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jussi16

Hello!

Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great!

In my country we don`t have any monarchs...
Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war...

Mostly peasants and such..

For more, see Internet.

Sorry for my irony.

No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

Unfortunatly the Kaiser was not a relative, just the gentleman with the miter.
Well, at least the Finns were good, trustworth allies.

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Andy,
I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment.

2. Garde Regiment zu Fuss or
"Kaiser Franz" Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr.2 ?

Anyway, a nice marking

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

Klaus, was / is this holster for sale?

klaus 3338 · 09-19-2009, 01:54 AM

It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

RichSr · 09-19-2009, 10:01 AM

Andy,
I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history.

suum cuique · 09-19-2009, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichSr

Andy,
I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history.

Rich,
honestly, I always thought it is a clarinette.

Thanks for your information, I have to check on this.

suum cuique · 09-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

I would buy a holster like this instantly. I collect KAGGR1 stuff.

klaus 3338 · 09-19-2009, 02:44 PM

Andy,
I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911.
Regards Klaus

klaus 3338 · 09-19-2009, 02:48 PM

Ron, one time more a nice unit marked Luger. You have a great collection and are one of the best experts. Thanks for showing.
Regards Klaus

Ron Wood · 09-19-2009, 03:55 PM

Thank you Klaus. Considering the excellent quality of your collection, I consider your complement high praise indeed.

suum cuique · 09-19-2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

Andy,
I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911.
Regards Klaus

Klaus,
even a KAGGR4 holster is very rare.
If you cross a KAGGR1 holster sometime, please keep me in mind.

"Es lebe hoch das Regiment, dass sich mit Stolz Alexander nennt!"
(Hail the Regiment, which is called Alexander)

Jan C Still · 09-20-2009, 12:50 AM

Andy
I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition.
Jan

abukafura · 09-20-2009, 02:34 PM

Here's another one for the list" I have 5.G.G.M.G.55. It is a 1912 DWM (tough date to find). Nice gun, serial 8337ns.

suum cuique · 09-21-2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan C. Still

Andy
I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition.
Jan

Nice!
I am confused. I thought always the marking for this Regiment was KAGGR1.
Is there a listing of all unit markings somewhere online?
I could not find anything.

abukafura · 09-21-2009, 06:49 PM

I think that th best source of unit markings is Jeff Noll's great book "The Imperial German Regimental Marking". Wealth of information.

09-17-2009, 08:28 PM	#1
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	WW1 Luger with KAGGR1 marking Gentlemen, did somebody ever saw a Luger with a unit marking: KAGGR or KAGGR1 ? Thanks __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz) Last edited by suum cuique; 09-17-2009 at 11:27 PM.

09-18-2009, 05:54 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Andy, I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment. Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-19-2009, 10:01 AM	#10
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 154 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Andy, I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history. __________________ Rich

09-19-2009, 02:44 PM	#13
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	Andy, I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911. Regards Klaus Attached Thumbnails

09-19-2009, 03:55 PM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Thank you Klaus. Considering the excellent quality of your collection, I consider your complement high praise indeed. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction Last edited by Ron Wood; 09-20-2009 at 04:27 PM.

09-18-2009, 07:44 AM	#2
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1. I remember a holster for it. Regards Klaus

09-18-2009, 05:28 PM	#4
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	Hello! Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great! In my country we don`t have any monarchs... Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war... Mostly peasants and such.. For more, see Internet. Sorry for my irony. No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

09-19-2009, 01:54 AM	#9
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

09-19-2009, 02:48 PM	#14
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	Ron, one time more a nice unit marked Luger. You have a great collection and are one of the best experts. Thanks for showing. Regards Klaus

09-20-2009, 12:50 AM	#17
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Andy I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition. Jan

09-20-2009, 02:34 PM	#18
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 90 Times in 57 Posts	Here's another one for the list" I have 5.G.G.M.G.55. It is a 1912 DWM (tough date to find). Nice gun, serial 8337ns.

09-21-2009, 06:49 PM	#20
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 90 Times in 57 Posts	I think that th best source of unit markings is Jeff Noll's great book "The Imperial German Regimental Marking". Wealth of information.