My modest collection

JimD · 07-30-2009, 03:02 PM

The short barrel is a first issue military, all matching. Marked B.M.S.45. on the front strap. Bavarian Gunnery School weapon # 45. Purchased from the widow of the serviceman who brought it back. He later went on to be a colonel in the USAF test flying the F-111. Came with the holster. No date but marked L. Ritcen karlsruhe. No date.

The arty's are both 1917's w/ fine adjust rear sights. One I got from Tom A. a few years ago. All matching including the mag. The other is matching but for three parts and the mag. Marked with British import markings.

The stock I have no clue about. No markings at all.

JimD · 07-30-2009, 03:04 PM

Some more photos

rottenII · 07-30-2009, 03:44 PM

Very nice!

Ice · 07-30-2009, 04:06 PM

I agree. Very nice collection.

Charlie

Edward Tinker · 07-30-2009, 04:19 PM

Very nice.

You should add a police lguer to the mix from the weimar period (hey, I know someone selling a few of them

)

Seriously, nice start, especially the first bring back

Ed

JimD · 07-30-2009, 04:20 PM

Well, since I'm a cop I'd love to have one. Affording it is another matter.

DavidJayUden · 07-30-2009, 04:34 PM

I'm curious about the stock. Not the usual flat board variety? If it is oval shaped like a real gunstock, I'd like to hear more about its origins from those in the know.
DJU

John Sabato · 07-30-2009, 04:41 PM

looks like a custom or reproduction carbine stock to me. I have never seen an original one with the lever checkered like this one.

DavidJayUden · 07-30-2009, 04:41 PM

And while I hate to keep beating this dead horse, IF that stock is not the correct style stock (orig. or faithful repop.) for an artillery Luger, then technically you are in violation of the GCA of 1933 (34?).
We may be getting a bit anal here, but you, in your current occupation, don't want the BATF at your door. Kind of like owning a couple of parts from an M16 trigger/bolt group. That's OK until you come home with an AR15. Doesn't matter that you never install them into the AR.
Solution? Post that the stock has been disposed of...
DJU

policeluger · 07-30-2009, 04:46 PM

Tinker its spelled....Luger....

JimD · 07-30-2009, 04:57 PM

DJU, simple possession is not a problem, even with AR15/ M16 parts. In fact, Colt currently puts M16 bolt carriers in their AR15's because of problems with the cut-away carriers.

I've read both about the detachable stocks, OK, not OK. However, since that photo was taken I traded the stock for an ammo can of 9mm.

The stock is just like a conventional stock, oval. I bought it at a gunshop about 10-12 years ago. They didn't know anything about it.

George Anderson · 07-30-2009, 05:16 PM

I would like to see more detailed photos of the Bavarian marked P08.

JimD · 07-30-2009, 05:48 PM

Here ya go...

JimD · 07-30-2009, 05:50 PM

More

JimD · 07-30-2009, 05:53 PM

Last ones. The side plate puzzles me. The previous number is crossed out and the full number restamped. But it was already stamped 34 on the underside where it should have been. Armorer screw-up?

Ron Wood · 07-30-2009, 06:21 PM

Somebody screwed-up and it is a shame. That is a pretty nice looking First Issue with a neat unit mark. They aren't easy to come by.
By the way, simple possession is a problem but most likely would not be vigorously enforced unless there was some other factor involved. If you own a Luger stock and do not have the corresponding type Luger to go with it, possession of both items can be considered "intent" to create a short barreled rifle whether or not the stock is ever actually installed on the gun. A fine point, and as I said probably not likely to be pursued, but it is indeed a potential problem. Glad you swapped it for a can of ammo.

JimD · 07-30-2009, 10:20 PM

Thanks guys, I stand corrected on the stock issue. It's a moot point now since I traded it. Not much good anyway if you can't use it. It was very nice, though.

Even though I'm in law enforcement I don't pretend to know all laws everywhere. Local guys like me rarely are involved in federal gun laws. Since you all have been into this hobby for far longer than I, I will defer to the base of knowledge here and thank you for educating me.

Douglas Jr. · 08-07-2009, 10:26 AM

Very nice!

07-30-2009, 03:02 PM	#1
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	My modest collection The short barrel is a first issue military, all matching. Marked B.M.S.45. on the front strap. Bavarian Gunnery School weapon # 45. Purchased from the widow of the serviceman who brought it back. He later went on to be a colonel in the USAF test flying the F-111. Came with the holster. No date but marked L. Ritcen karlsruhe. No date. The arty's are both 1917's w/ fine adjust rear sights. One I got from Tom A. a few years ago. All matching including the mag. The other is matching but for three parts and the mag. Marked with British import markings. The stock I have no clue about. No markings at all. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 03:04 PM	#2
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	My modest collection cont'd Some more photos Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 04:19 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Very nice. You should add a police lguer to the mix from the weimar period (hey, I know someone selling a few of them ) Seriously, nice start, especially the first bring back Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-30-2009, 04:20 PM	#6
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Well, since I'm a cop I'd love to have one. Affording it is another matter. __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 04:41 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	looks like a custom or reproduction carbine stock to me. I have never seen an original one with the lever checkered like this one. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-30-2009, 03:44 PM	#3
rottenII User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Very nice!

07-30-2009, 04:06 PM	#4
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	I agree. Very nice collection. Charlie

07-30-2009, 04:34 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm curious about the stock. Not the usual flat board variety? If it is oval shaped like a real gunstock, I'd like to hear more about its origins from those in the know. DJU

07-30-2009, 04:46 PM	#10
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Tinker its spelled....Luger....

07-30-2009, 04:57 PM	#11
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	DJU, simple possession is not a problem, even with AR15/ M16 parts. In fact, Colt currently puts M16 bolt carriers in their AR15's because of problems with the cut-away carriers. I've read both about the detachable stocks, OK, not OK. However, since that photo was taken I traded the stock for an ammo can of 9mm. The stock is just like a conventional stock, oval. I bought it at a gunshop about 10-12 years ago. They didn't know anything about it. __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 05:16 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	I would like to see more detailed photos of the Bavarian marked P08.

07-30-2009, 05:48 PM	#13
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Here ya go... Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 05:50 PM	#14
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	More Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 05:53 PM	#15
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Last ones. The side plate puzzles me. The previous number is crossed out and the full number restamped. But it was already stamped 34 on the underside where it should have been. Armorer screw-up? Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

07-30-2009, 06:21 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Somebody screwed-up and it is a shame. That is a pretty nice looking First Issue with a neat unit mark. They aren't easy to come by. By the way, simple possession is a problem but most likely would not be vigorously enforced unless there was some other factor involved. If you own a Luger stock and do not have the corresponding type Luger to go with it, possession of both items can be considered "intent" to create a short barreled rifle whether or not the stock is ever actually installed on the gun. A fine point, and as I said probably not likely to be pursued, but it is indeed a potential problem. Glad you swapped it for a can of ammo. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-30-2009, 10:20 PM	#17
JimD User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 179 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks guys, I stand corrected on the stock issue. It's a moot point now since I traded it. Not much good anyway if you can't use it. It was very nice, though. Even though I'm in law enforcement I don't pretend to know all laws everywhere. Local guys like me rarely are involved in federal gun laws. Since you all have been into this hobby for far longer than I, I will defer to the base of knowledge here and thank you for educating me. __________________ "Dyin' aint much of a livin', boy".

08-07-2009, 10:26 AM	#18
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Very nice!