Ammo Question

MarkC · 04-27-2009, 09:16 PM

Guys,

Any ideas on this ammo?

I've been going through my "stuff" and found 2 cardboard boxes of it.

No clue as do what is is?

Mark

Edward Tinker · 04-27-2009, 09:26 PM

I am pretty sure it is 4mm ammo for training, such as the Erma 22 single shot barrel adaptors.

Ron Wood · 04-27-2009, 09:33 PM

Ed nailed it. There is also a Swiss conversion unit. It is used as a single shot. It takes a little "spoon" to insert the round into the barrel adapter and then you have to poke out the spent cartridge with a rod.
I do not have a 4mm adaptor, but I wouldn't mind adding a box of these to my Luger odds and ends if you decide to part with them.

MarkC · 04-27-2009, 09:48 PM

So what is the value on this?

Prewar or post war?

I can't remember what I paid or where they came from. I think they were with some auction ammo that I bought years ago and I have two boxes of it.

Mark

sheepherder · 04-27-2009, 09:51 PM

Patronen = Cartridges

Ã??bungsmunition = Practice Ammunition

Interesting...

sheepherder · 04-28-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LU1900

The M20 : just a primer and rond bullet in 4mm
I think prewar.

LU1900 -

Then the munitions in the boxes in the pics are the entire cartridge??? Copper case + lead bullet, all in one???

Are they centerfire or rimfire??? Or does it matter???

LU1900 · 04-28-2009, 09:02 AM

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Vlim · 04-28-2009, 10:24 AM

Basically, they are center AND rimfire. Work with both.

Edward Tinker · 04-28-2009, 02:42 PM

Russ had a couple of boxes of these a few years ago. he gave me a small handful and for the last two years, one will turn up in a drawer or in a pocket (Lord knows how that worked), one in a tool box

etc

Seriously....

Imperial Arms · 04-28-2009, 08:52 PM

Hello Mark,

The 4 mm ammo is made by RWS (Sinoxid) in the 1930's. I suppose that one box would have a value of about $40. A nice item to add to a display that includes a conversion kit.

Albert

MarkC · 04-28-2009, 08:56 PM

If I had the conversion kit I would shoot a few rounds in my Luger for sure!

What a great idea!

I think the loading and extraction was a chore but I'd love to shoot at paper in the basement or livingroom with the kit. ... I'd be sold on the idea in the 30's

Mark

04-27-2009, 09:16 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Ammo Question Guys, Any ideas on this ammo? I've been going through my "stuff" and found 2 cardboard boxes of it. No clue as do what is is? Mark Attached Thumbnails

04-27-2009, 09:33 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Ed nailed it. There is also a Swiss conversion unit. It is used as a single shot. It takes a little "spoon" to insert the round into the barrel adapter and then you have to poke out the spent cartridge with a rod. I do not have a 4mm adaptor, but I wouldn't mind adding a box of these to my Luger odds and ends if you decide to part with them. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	I am pretty sure it is 4mm ammo for training, such as the Erma 22 single shot barrel adaptors.

04-27-2009, 09:48 PM	#4
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	So what is the value on this? Prewar or post war? I can't remember what I paid or where they came from. I think they were with some auction ammo that I bought years ago and I have two boxes of it. Mark

04-28-2009, 10:24 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Basically, they are center AND rimfire. Work with both.

04-28-2009, 02:42 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Russ had a couple of boxes of these a few years ago. he gave me a small handful and for the last two years, one will turn up in a drawer or in a pocket (Lord knows how that worked), one in a tool box etc Seriously....

04-28-2009, 08:52 PM	#10
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Hello Mark, The 4 mm ammo is made by RWS (Sinoxid) in the 1930's. I suppose that one box would have a value of about $40. A nice item to add to a display that includes a conversion kit. Albert

04-28-2009, 08:56 PM	#11
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	If I had the conversion kit I would shoot a few rounds in my Luger for sure! What a great idea! I think the loading and extraction was a chore but I'd love to shoot at paper in the basement or livingroom with the kit. ... I'd be sold on the idea in the 30's Mark