identify this "Luger" holster

raygun · 09-04-2008, 07:39 PM

Can anyone identify this "Luger " holster on E Bay ?

Looks a bit like one , but obviously not military issue , perhaps commercial ,
private or foreign order ??

http://cgi.ebay.com.au:80/ws/eBayISA...E:B:EF:AU:1120

GerColctor · 09-04-2008, 09:23 PM

raygun

A very unusal Luger holster. The 5 digit number on the back, if the serial number to the Luger indicates the assigned pistol may have been a commerical model. The Weimar police often marked the rear of their holsters with the weapon's serial number, but this is not a police style holster, not with a WaA stamp, which is military. Wa280 is listed to the Karl Weiss Lederwarenfabrik (Bender). It is dated 1939, which also indicates it is not a commerical private purchase.

The cover flap doesn't go over the extra mag sleeve, which was very important protective feature, as all the other Luger holsters styles do. There is apparently no tool pouch inside the cover flap. Also no lift strap, so access to the pistol must have been better with this design. Military pigskin is too early to have a '39 date.

May have been a new design tested by the military, but then there would be no reason for the weapon's serial number on the back, if that is what the number was.

Other, more knowledgeable guys on this forum might know the answer.
Joe

alanint · 09-05-2008, 06:39 AM

I may be an amateur at this but that "Berlin-39" stamp on the back looks like it was done with the same font and size of my Tandy leather stamping kit.
This plus the fact that this stamping is not even close to straight indicates these letters were stamped one at a time and were not created by a commertial stamp.
I may be wrong but I see a nice, interesting, vintage holster ruined by somebody's attempt to boost it.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-05-2008, 08:59 AM

I wouldn't have it in my collection.

Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 09-05-2008, 10:36 AM

I am with Jerry on this one... it is strictly a POOR reproduction and not worth what is being asked on ebay.

George Anderson · 09-05-2008, 10:48 AM

John, it's not a reproduction. I believe it is a variation of the Bulgarian holster. The stamping on the reverse is phony as noted above. Bulgarian holsters like this in really good shape rarely bring $50.

Navy · 09-05-2008, 11:16 AM

As George will attest, whenever we sell a gun at a show, the buyer, as a condition of the sale, must take a vulgarian holster along with the piece. They are awful.
Tom A

Went Blakely · 09-05-2008, 12:06 PM

Woah, what the heck, that is one of my brother's old holsters! I even posted it up on here, querying when it arrived at my address first, remember anyone? Unbelievable, what are the odds?! He sold it at a militaria fair about a month after he got it, i believe it did originally come from an estate sale however. I think you blokes identified it as a 'Bulgarian' holster back then also. Eh, it was OK, nice to actually carry the pistol in without damaging a proper one i suppose, but i'll stick to my originals thanks very much.
Still can't believe it is back for sale, i guess everything eventually finds it's way back to Feepay

raygun · 09-06-2008, 08:21 AM

Ok thanks fellas , guess that solves it . might send the seller a little warning message !

rolandtg · 09-07-2008, 08:40 PM

Call me ignorant, crazy, or tasteless but I have a Bulgarian holster that I actually prefer to the typical German style holster.

Mine is much nicer than than that one.

Eye of the beholder I guess.

raygun · 09-12-2008, 04:21 AM

Well there you go , someone paid $125. for it . maby Bulgarian holsters are about to take off!? Guess they can't be as common as german made ones!

rolandtg · 09-12-2008, 11:35 PM

Gee, I guess I should sell mine! I think I have a screw driver I can use to add the date....

alanint · 09-13-2008, 06:59 AM

At the rate people are being taken in by this stuff, you might as well add an "H. Himmler" or "H. Goering" while you are at it and really make some money.

Went Blakely · 09-14-2008, 02:24 PM

Hahaha, too true ^ someone would probably buy it too, sadly

People get taken in by so much crap without research

09-04-2008, 07:39 PM	#1
raygun User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 150 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	identify this "Luger" holster Can anyone identify this "Luger " holster on E Bay ? Looks a bit like one , but obviously not military issue , perhaps commercial , private or foreign order ?? http://cgi.ebay.com.au:80/ws/eBayISA...E:B:EF:AU:1120 __________________ arma tuentur pacem

09-04-2008, 09:23 PM	#2
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	raygun A very unusal Luger holster. The 5 digit number on the back, if the serial number to the Luger indicates the assigned pistol may have been a commerical model. The Weimar police often marked the rear of their holsters with the weapon's serial number, but this is not a police style holster, not with a WaA stamp, which is military. Wa280 is listed to the Karl Weiss Lederwarenfabrik (Bender). It is dated 1939, which also indicates it is not a commerical private purchase. The cover flap doesn't go over the extra mag sleeve, which was very important protective feature, as all the other Luger holsters styles do. There is apparently no tool pouch inside the cover flap. Also no lift strap, so access to the pistol must have been better with this design. Military pigskin is too early to have a '39 date. May have been a new design tested by the military, but then there would be no reason for the weapon's serial number on the back, if that is what the number was. Other, more knowledgeable guys on this forum might know the answer. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

09-05-2008, 08:59 AM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	I wouldn't have it in my collection. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-05-2008, 10:36 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I am with Jerry on this one... it is strictly a POOR reproduction and not worth what is being asked on ebay. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-05-2008, 12:06 PM	#8
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Woah, what the heck, that is one of my brother's old holsters! I even posted it up on here, querying when it arrived at my address first, remember anyone? Unbelievable, what are the odds?! He sold it at a militaria fair about a month after he got it, i believe it did originally come from an estate sale however. I think you blokes identified it as a 'Bulgarian' holster back then also. Eh, it was OK, nice to actually carry the pistol in without damaging a proper one i suppose, but i'll stick to my originals thanks very much. Still can't believe it is back for sale, i guess everything eventually finds it's way back to Feepay __________________ Went Blakely

09-05-2008, 06:39 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I may be an amateur at this but that "Berlin-39" stamp on the back looks like it was done with the same font and size of my Tandy leather stamping kit. This plus the fact that this stamping is not even close to straight indicates these letters were stamped one at a time and were not created by a commertial stamp. I may be wrong but I see a nice, interesting, vintage holster ruined by somebody's attempt to boost it.

09-05-2008, 10:48 AM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	John, it's not a reproduction. I believe it is a variation of the Bulgarian holster. The stamping on the reverse is phony as noted above. Bulgarian holsters like this in really good shape rarely bring $50.

09-05-2008, 11:16 AM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	As George will attest, whenever we sell a gun at a show, the buyer, as a condition of the sale, must take a vulgarian holster along with the piece. They are awful. Tom A

09-06-2008, 08:21 AM	#9
raygun User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 150 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Ok thanks fellas , guess that solves it . might send the seller a little warning message ! __________________ arma tuentur pacem

09-07-2008, 08:40 PM	#10
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 471 Thanks: 363 Thanked 255 Times in 111 Posts	Call me ignorant, crazy, or tasteless but I have a Bulgarian holster that I actually prefer to the typical German style holster. Mine is much nicer than than that one. Eye of the beholder I guess.

09-12-2008, 04:21 AM	#11
raygun User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 150 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Well there you go , someone paid $125. for it . maby Bulgarian holsters are about to take off!? Guess they can't be as common as german made ones! __________________ arma tuentur pacem

09-12-2008, 11:35 PM	#12
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 471 Thanks: 363 Thanked 255 Times in 111 Posts	Gee, I guess I should sell mine! I think I have a screw driver I can use to add the date....

09-13-2008, 06:59 AM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	At the rate people are being taken in by this stuff, you might as well add an "H. Himmler" or "H. Goering" while you are at it and really make some money.

09-14-2008, 02:24 PM	#14
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Hahaha, too true ^ someone would probably buy it too, sadly People get taken in by so much crap without research __________________ Went Blakely