DWM Luger Identification/Valuation

docwisdom · 07-27-2008, 11:57 PM

I recently received this gun from a family member. I was able to identify most of it, but would love any additional information.

Top:
DWM 1911

LH Side:
German Eagle Proof Stamp on slide
'G' is revealed when pulling back the slide
23 below the slide

Under Barrel:
5823
8, 82

Under barrel on frame:
5823

On Handle:
B.2.T.S..1.99.
(Bavarian, 2nd Battallion, Train, Field Signal, 1st Company, 99 Gun) as I have interpreted it.
Any historical information on who this unit was?

mag:
3067f
(cross or T stamp)

Thanks!

Dwight Gruber · 07-28-2008, 04:44 AM

Brian,

Your unit mark B.2.T.S.1.99. is "Bayerisches, 2 Train-Bataillon, SanitÃ?Â¤ts-Kompagnie 1, Waffe Nr. 99"; translates as Bavarian, Second Train Battalion, First Medical Company, weapon #99. These were weapons issued to medical personnel in mobile support columns, probably ambulancers.

There have been two discussions of 1911 DWM issued to Bavarian Train-Bataillons on Jan Still's Luger Forum:

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=bavarian
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=bavarian

There are small databases of these guns in the discussions, it would be useful to know the script letter suffix present below the serial number on the front of your frame in order to add a new data point.

We would certainly like to see better photos, overall and details, of your Luger.

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 07-28-2008, 10:14 AM

Brian, welcome to the forum, nice gun, I like it so far

Ed

docwisdom · 07-28-2008, 10:37 AM

Thanks for the quick replies!
I will post a whole host of photos in the coming days. All I had on me last night was my camera-phone. Its a little embarrasing considering I am a professional photographer. I will try to take it down to the studio and shoot it on white so everything stands out.

Regarding the letter suffix on the barrel, I cannot decifer it very well. It looks like an R. Slanted script, 1 loop with a split tail.

George Anderson · 07-28-2008, 11:19 AM

In all liklihood it is an "e" as there are four B.2.T.S. marked pistols in my list that run from 3860e to 5938e. My list combined with Noll's has eleven pistols listed between 1623e and 5823e, all are Bavarian and six are medics' guns.

07-27-2008, 11:57 PM	#1
docwisdom New User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWM Luger Identification/Valuation I recently received this gun from a family member. I was able to identify most of it, but would love any additional information. Top: DWM 1911 LH Side: German Eagle Proof Stamp on slide 'G' is revealed when pulling back the slide 23 below the slide Under Barrel: 5823 8, 82 Under barrel on frame: 5823 On Handle: B.2.T.S..1.99. (Bavarian, 2nd Battallion, Train, Field Signal, 1st Company, 99 Gun) as I have interpreted it. Any historical information on who this unit was? mag: 3067f (cross or T stamp) Thanks! Attached Thumbnails

07-28-2008, 10:14 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Brian, welcome to the forum, nice gun, I like it so far Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-28-2008, 04:44 AM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,894 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,288 Times in 426 Posts	Brian, Your unit mark B.2.T.S.1.99. is "Bayerisches, 2 Train-Bataillon, SanitÃ?Â¤ts-Kompagnie 1, Waffe Nr. 99"; translates as Bavarian, Second Train Battalion, First Medical Company, weapon #99. These were weapons issued to medical personnel in mobile support columns, probably ambulancers. There have been two discussions of 1911 DWM issued to Bavarian Train-Bataillons on Jan Still's Luger Forum: http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=bavarian http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=bavarian There are small databases of these guns in the discussions, it would be useful to know the script letter suffix present below the serial number on the front of your frame in order to add a new data point. We would certainly like to see better photos, overall and details, of your Luger. --Dwight

07-28-2008, 10:37 AM	#4
docwisdom New User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the quick replies! I will post a whole host of photos in the coming days. All I had on me last night was my camera-phone. Its a little embarrasing considering I am a professional photographer. I will try to take it down to the studio and shoot it on white so everything stands out. Regarding the letter suffix on the barrel, I cannot decifer it very well. It looks like an R. Slanted script, 1 loop with a split tail.

07-28-2008, 11:19 AM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	In all liklihood it is an "e" as there are four B.2.T.S. marked pistols in my list that run from 3860e to 5938e. My list combined with Noll's has eleven pistols listed between 1623e and 5823e, all are Bavarian and six are medics' guns.