1910 DWM Questions

ampickle · 06-06-2008, 08:11 PM

Hey Guys,
I have a 1910 DWM luger that I am trying to fugure the value. It is all matching including 1 mag. It has another mag that I suspect matched the gun at one time but the end looks as if someone made a replacement for the lost numbered peice.The weapon is about 98% overall in finish with the staw color in the very good. It has ubit marking which read "13A2". The holster is unmarked with the loading tool and came with the gun. Two things bother me about this pistol. First, the bolt will not stay open when empty"magazine is still attached". I inspected the weapon to find no broken or worn peices and no fault in the mag. Second the take down lever and side plate are not marked. I compared it to a 1917 Artillery and G dated S42 and found that it has far less markings than the other pistols. I can see no evidence of touch up or reblueing. The Weimar stampings as well as serial numbers are crisp and the finish is consistant with the finish of the time with the exception of the excellent condition of the finish. I will try and take some good pics and post them. Can anyone give me an aproximate value of the gun. I may consider selling it.
Andy

Ron Wood · 06-06-2008, 08:43 PM

Dear Mr. ampickle,
Look again at the 1910 DWM that you are trying to figure out. For this date Luger, the take down lever and side plate should be numbered on the bottom in the Commercial fashion. Also, it was manufactured without a holdopen mechanism which accounts for the fact that the bolt will not stay open on an empty magazine. Most Lugers of this vintage were altered to add the holdopen, but some escaped this modification and this may be one of them.

George Anderson · 06-06-2008, 08:53 PM

Sounds like a correct 1910 which has not had the hold open mechanism added (this was done in 1913-14) The unit marking probably indicates 13th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd company.

Military Lugers made before late 1911 will have last digits of the serial number stamped in the old commercial style. That is they will be on the bottum of both the side plate and the take down lever. If the magazine is original and matching it should display large numeral nunning the length of the mag button and not have a suffix.

If you plan to sell this gun I am an interested buyer. If not I would like to know the full serial number and a detailed description of the unit mark for my records.

ampickle · 06-06-2008, 08:54 PM

I checked and yes they are numbered at the bottom and match. I never would have guessed. I am about to send PICS. Thanks

ampickle · 06-06-2008, 09:20 PM

Forum says Pics to large to post. Ron, I would be happy to send PiCs if you can find a way to post them. Serial # is 6211. Unit marking was exactly as typed. Ron send me your email and I will be happy to send you pics.

ampickle · 06-06-2008, 09:23 PM

Mag is correct as well. Also Grips fit very snug and are fitted well. Retaining screws look as if they have never been removed so I didnt bother marring them up to check #'s. I will try putting some light in the mag well and see if I can see #'s.
Andy

ampickle · 06-06-2008, 09:24 PM

George I can send you PICS as well.

Ron Wood · 06-07-2008, 12:04 AM

Andy,
I just sent you a PM with my email address.

Ron Wood · 06-07-2008, 07:15 PM

Here are some pics that Andy sent me. Please feel free to drool!

George Anderson · 06-07-2008, 08:21 PM

Andy, great piece just as one would expect except for the hold-open. I will have to look to see where the 13th Field Artillery was from...the answer may lay there.

ampickle · 06-07-2008, 08:34 PM

The hold open wasnt put in use until 1913-14. This one escaped modification.

GerColctor · 06-08-2008, 08:52 PM

Nice to see a 1910 in it's orginial condintion, unaltured. Nice Luger, good luck with it.

Joe

ampickle · 06-08-2008, 09:07 PM

Thanks, I am on the fence about selling. Depends on value.Once its gone I will probably never see another like it.

06-06-2008, 08:11 PM	#1
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1910 DWM Questions Hey Guys, I have a 1910 DWM luger that I am trying to fugure the value. It is all matching including 1 mag. It has another mag that I suspect matched the gun at one time but the end looks as if someone made a replacement for the lost numbered peice.The weapon is about 98% overall in finish with the staw color in the very good. It has ubit marking which read "13A2". The holster is unmarked with the loading tool and came with the gun. Two things bother me about this pistol. First, the bolt will not stay open when empty"magazine is still attached". I inspected the weapon to find no broken or worn peices and no fault in the mag. Second the take down lever and side plate are not marked. I compared it to a 1917 Artillery and G dated S42 and found that it has far less markings than the other pistols. I can see no evidence of touch up or reblueing. The Weimar stampings as well as serial numbers are crisp and the finish is consistant with the finish of the time with the exception of the excellent condition of the finish. I will try and take some good pics and post them. Can anyone give me an aproximate value of the gun. I may consider selling it. Andy

06-06-2008, 08:43 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,043 Thanks: 1,107 Thanked 5,261 Times in 1,724 Posts	Dear Mr. ampickle, Look again at the 1910 DWM that you are trying to figure out. For this date Luger, the take down lever and side plate should be numbered on the bottom in the Commercial fashion. Also, it was manufactured without a holdopen mechanism which accounts for the fact that the bolt will not stay open on an empty magazine. Most Lugers of this vintage were altered to add the holdopen, but some escaped this modification and this may be one of them. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-06-2008, 08:54 PM	#4
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I checked and yes they are numbered at the bottom and match. I never would have guessed. I am about to send PICS. Thanks __________________ Always outnumbered, never outgunned

06-06-2008, 09:23 PM	#6
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mag is correct as well. Also Grips fit very snug and are fitted well. Retaining screws look as if they have never been removed so I didnt bother marring them up to check #'s. I will try putting some light in the mag well and see if I can see #'s. Andy __________________ Always outnumbered, never outgunned

06-06-2008, 09:24 PM	#7
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	George I can send you PICS as well. __________________ Always outnumbered, never outgunned

06-06-2008, 08:53 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Sounds like a correct 1910 which has not had the hold open mechanism added (this was done in 1913-14) The unit marking probably indicates 13th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd company. Military Lugers made before late 1911 will have last digits of the serial number stamped in the old commercial style. That is they will be on the bottum of both the side plate and the take down lever. If the magazine is original and matching it should display large numeral nunning the length of the mag button and not have a suffix. If you plan to sell this gun I am an interested buyer. If not I would like to know the full serial number and a detailed description of the unit mark for my records.

06-06-2008, 09:20 PM	#5
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Forum says Pics to large to post. Ron, I would be happy to send PiCs if you can find a way to post them. Serial # is 6211. Unit marking was exactly as typed. Ron send me your email and I will be happy to send you pics.

06-07-2008, 12:04 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,043 Thanks: 1,107 Thanked 5,261 Times in 1,724 Posts	Andy, I just sent you a PM with my email address. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-07-2008, 07:15 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,043 Thanks: 1,107 Thanked 5,261 Times in 1,724 Posts	Here are some pics that Andy sent me. Please feel free to drool! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-07-2008, 08:21 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Andy, great piece just as one would expect except for the hold-open. I will have to look to see where the 13th Field Artillery was from...the answer may lay there.

06-07-2008, 08:34 PM	#11
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The hold open wasnt put in use until 1913-14. This one escaped modification. __________________ Always outnumbered, never outgunned

06-08-2008, 08:52 PM	#12
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 315 Thanks: 2 Thanked 48 Times in 31 Posts	Nice to see a 1910 in it's orginial condintion, unaltured. Nice Luger, good luck with it. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

06-08-2008, 09:07 PM	#13
ampickle User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N.carolina Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, I am on the fence about selling. Depends on value.Once its gone I will probably never see another like it. __________________ Always outnumbered, never outgunned