markings on byf41 luger

KEVIN M · 02-23-2008, 08:51 AM

Hi there, was hoping somebody could let me know about the markings on a BYF41 PO8. I have tried to attach some photos using the box below without success, so will describe the markings for now. they appear on the barrel and frame......NPv together with the letters NTT . the N and P are joined together and the v is lower case and appears just underneath the P . there is also a crest/eagle underneath the NPv ( i have tried looking in the proof mark section but it doesnt seem to be shown) hoping someone can help. thanks very much kevin

Ron Smith · 02-24-2008, 09:36 AM

Kevin's photos..

RockinWR · 02-24-2008, 12:52 PM

Kevin,
* NPv = Nitro Proof of Wien (Vienna), Austria. It will be found together with a Habsburg eagle bearing a "2" (1918 to date) on its breast shield. This per J.Walters, The Luger Book, Pg.180, Item N21.
* No idea what the "NTT" signifies. Maybe an importer??
* Hadn't seen an out of sequence series of WaA135 and proof marks on the right hand receiver before.......???

John Sabato · 02-25-2008, 06:37 AM

Nice byf 41 Kevin. Has it been refinished?

I shudder to think that it may have been de-activated because you live in the UK. If so, my condolences.

We have a number of your countrymen who are longtime members of this forum.

Welcome aboard.

ark · 02-26-2008, 07:14 AM

If this is a true byf 41; should it be dated "1941"? Just wondering.....
Regards,
ark

John Sabato · 02-26-2008, 10:08 AM

Interesting catch ark... all of the byf 41 Lugers I have seen had just the number 41 over the chamber. This is a departure from that method.

Has anyone else ever seen a byf Luger with a 4 digit year stamped over the chamber?

wlyon · 02-26-2008, 12:32 PM

John
Interesting. I have never seen a byf with a 4 digit date. A Banner and a Krieghoff but no byf. Bill

KEVIN M · 02-26-2008, 01:56 PM

hi again, i really appreciate all the info from everyone, its been very helpful. hi john, yes, it is refinished (before i bought i asked if it had been refinished / reworked in any way, the reply was that he was sure it wasnt). does refinishing devalue the gun in any way ? there has also been some filing done on the underside of the barrel where the witness mark would have been, i would post some photos but the message when i try states that the file is too big. hope someone can help again thanks kevin

John Sabato · 02-26-2008, 03:29 PM

Use the Microsoft Office Picture Manager to view the file. Then use the EDIT mode to reduce the size of the photo by percentage. (Start with 10%) and save the image until the photo size is under 200Kbytes... that is the limit for photos uploaded into the forum server. Then once the photo is below 200K in size try uploadiing it again.

refinishing does dramatically lower the value of a collectible firearm. In the case of Lugers, it is almost by half, depending on how much buffing was done. Of course any modifications, such as filing would also lower collector value. But then that makes it an ideal gun for shooting, since you don't want to shoot a collectible very much... you might break something... and any replaced part lowers the value even more than refinishing.

KEVIN M · 02-26-2008, 06:22 PM

hi john, thanks again for the info, couldnt have done it without your help. i'm very new to computers....dont know what i'm doing half the time ! i have enclosed some photos of the offending areas, could they be anything to do with the deactivation process ? regards kevin

John Sabato · 02-27-2008, 11:58 AM

Thanks TAC, No I didn't try to email you... maybe Kevin did.

Kevin,

I don't know how you enclosed the photos but they aren't here... if you have questions about the process please ask. We are curious to see your Luger (Deactivated or not).

KEVIN M · 02-28-2008, 03:11 PM

hi, yes i did send an email to tac to say hi. i will try and send the photos again tomorrow. thanks kevin

KEVIN M · 02-29-2008, 05:39 PM

Hi again, here are the rest of the photos, lets hope i got it right this time!! thanks again kevin

KEVIN M · 03-01-2008, 08:20 AM

hi, and some more thanks
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/002_copy5.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/004_copy3.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/006_copy2.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/003_copy4.jpg

KEVIN M · 03-01-2008, 08:30 AM

last 3 photos, apologies for the way im doing this......still learning to use my pc. much appreciated K
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/001_copy6.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/002_copy6.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/003_copy5.jpg

02-23-2008, 08:51 AM	#1
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	markings on byf41 luger Hi there, was hoping somebody could let me know about the markings on a BYF41 PO8. I have tried to attach some photos using the box below without success, so will describe the markings for now. they appear on the barrel and frame......NPv together with the letters NTT . the N and P are joined together and the v is lower case and appears just underneath the P . there is also a crest/eagle underneath the NPv ( i have tried looking in the proof mark section but it doesnt seem to be shown) hoping someone can help. thanks very much kevin

02-24-2008, 09:36 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Kevin's photos.. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-25-2008, 06:37 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Nice byf 41 Kevin. Has it been refinished? I shudder to think that it may have been de-activated because you live in the UK. If so, my condolences. We have a number of your countrymen who are longtime members of this forum. Welcome aboard. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-26-2008, 10:08 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Interesting catch ark... all of the byf 41 Lugers I have seen had just the number 41 over the chamber. This is a departure from that method. Has anyone else ever seen a byf Luger with a 4 digit year stamped over the chamber? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-26-2008, 12:32 PM	#7
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	John Interesting. I have never seen a byf with a 4 digit date. A Banner and a Krieghoff but no byf. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-24-2008, 12:52 PM	#3
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Kevin, * NPv = Nitro Proof of Wien (Vienna), Austria. It will be found together with a Habsburg eagle bearing a "2" (1918 to date) on its breast shield. This per J.Walters, The Luger Book, Pg.180, Item N21. * No idea what the "NTT" signifies. Maybe an importer?? * Hadn't seen an out of sequence series of WaA135 and proof marks on the right hand receiver before.......???

02-26-2008, 07:14 AM	#5
ark User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If this is a true byf 41; should it be dated "1941"? Just wondering..... Regards, ark

02-26-2008, 01:56 PM	#8
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi again, i really appreciate all the info from everyone, its been very helpful. hi john, yes, it is refinished (before i bought i asked if it had been refinished / reworked in any way, the reply was that he was sure it wasnt). does refinishing devalue the gun in any way ? there has also been some filing done on the underside of the barrel where the witness mark would have been, i would post some photos but the message when i try states that the file is too big. hope someone can help again thanks kevin

02-26-2008, 03:29 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Use the Microsoft Office Picture Manager to view the file. Then use the EDIT mode to reduce the size of the photo by percentage. (Start with 10%) and save the image until the photo size is under 200Kbytes... that is the limit for photos uploaded into the forum server. Then once the photo is below 200K in size try uploadiing it again. refinishing does dramatically lower the value of a collectible firearm. In the case of Lugers, it is almost by half, depending on how much buffing was done. Of course any modifications, such as filing would also lower collector value. But then that makes it an ideal gun for shooting, since you don't want to shoot a collectible very much... you might break something... and any replaced part lowers the value even more than refinishing. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-26-2008, 06:22 PM	#10
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi john, thanks again for the info, couldnt have done it without your help. i'm very new to computers....dont know what i'm doing half the time ! i have enclosed some photos of the offending areas, could they be anything to do with the deactivation process ? regards kevin

02-27-2008, 11:58 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Thanks TAC, No I didn't try to email you... maybe Kevin did. Kevin, I don't know how you enclosed the photos but they aren't here... if you have questions about the process please ask. We are curious to see your Luger (Deactivated or not). __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-28-2008, 03:11 PM	#12
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi, yes i did send an email to tac to say hi. i will try and send the photos again tomorrow. thanks kevin

02-29-2008, 05:39 PM	#13
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi again, here are the rest of the photos, lets hope i got it right this time!! thanks again kevin

03-01-2008, 08:20 AM	#14
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi, and some more thanks http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/002_copy5.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/004_copy3.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/006_copy2.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/003_copy4.jpg

03-01-2008, 08:30 AM	#15
KEVIN M User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	last 3 photos, apologies for the way im doing this......still learning to use my pc. much appreciated K http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/001_copy6.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/002_copy6.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/003_copy5.jpg