Real vs. Repro Loading Tools

grapppa · 12-19-2007, 09:01 PM

Comparison of real and fake loading tool. Fake is overall larger in appearance, particularly at the top of the tool. Notice smooth polished edges on fake, slightly larger size. The fake is so bad, it doesnt even work with a mag !

grapppa · 12-19-2007, 09:02 PM

I thought the byf 41 was a nice touch....? It came in an authentic (very very nice I might add) ... dlu 41 holster which housed a byf 41 black widow)

grapppa · 12-19-2007, 09:02 PM

thickness differences; fake on top

GerColctor · 12-19-2007, 10:34 PM

granppa

Seen Luger repo loading tools with the same byf markings offered on eBay. Others are marked with the word Mauser or a large WaAxxx which is usually off centered. They will be out with SS marked tools soon enough.

Thank you for posting these pictures.

Joe

Wilhelm · 12-20-2007, 12:57 PM

I use a repro all the time. Works fine and saves money for ammo!

DaveRay · 12-25-2007, 12:24 AM

I am new here, and have a question. This tool is to aid in loading the magazine, yes? If I have figured it out correctly, the thumb button on the mag fits into the hole, and the bent pad is used to pull it down in the mag??? I also assume the tool locks the button and pusher as the ordinance is loaded?? Am I close, or really off on this? It is real fun loading the mag with just a thumb on the button, and the rounds (hahaha).

MFC · 12-25-2007, 01:05 AM

The bent pad is used to pull down the button but does not lock in any certain position. Just alot easier on the thumb as you pull it down.
Mike C.

Edward Tinker · 12-25-2007, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wilhelm
I use a repro all the time. Works fine and saves money for ammo!

I have had repro ones bend on me when using as a screw driver, so I just buy real ones to use...

Ed

DaveRay · 12-26-2007, 02:46 PM

Thank you for the clarification.

I don't have one of these tools, authentic or reproduction, but I do think it is more than just a loading tool for the magazine button. From the looks of it, I'd think it had at least two more uses,

The straight end would be for unlatching the firing pin, with its screwdriver like end into the pin's slot, although I do this with my finger,

And/Or,

As a tool for the main spring in the handle.

Am I anywhere near correct, or way off the ball on this?

Thanks,

Dave.

Edward Tinker · 12-26-2007, 02:55 PM

you are correct on the firing pin. I have never tried and don't know if I would for the mainspring

It is also used for the grip screws...

Ed

PS grandpa this is a good thread, there is also a posting in the FAQ in the new collectors area that shows differences in repro and real tools...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=13121

Steinar · 12-26-2007, 07:47 PM

Not yet found a reproduction loading tool that workes well (but there is plenty of them out there, so I'm sure there is some that will). Those I have had have bended or simply didn't fit the magazine.
I keep an original one amoung my key's, having it there is a killer for it's 'finish', but it workes great every time I need it.

The two reproduction holsters I have, they have a surprisingly good quality! Used them quite a lot, been in the rain several times and had no maintenance.. still going strong after a couple of years.

DaveRay · 12-26-2007, 11:32 PM

Hmmm, yes, the grip screws. Makes sense for them to build one tool for as many of the operations on the weapon as possible.

drewas · 12-31-2007, 04:25 PM

Thanks for the tips. I want to get an authentic loading tool to add to my all-original rig that includes a 1913 DWM and 1916 holster. Is there anything in particular that I should look for? Or avoid? For instance, I would think that an E63 stamp would be out of place.

Also, I have the original wood-capped magazine with the pistol, but also have a spare that is blued with an aluminm butt cap. Please see the photos included. Any opinions on the age and manfacture of this magazine. Would it have been issed as a spare with this pistol?

Thanks.

Edward Tinker · 12-31-2007, 04:37 PM

A DWM tool was not marked, so ensure it meets specifications (i.e. not a big thick / repro one), and don't get an eagle 63, eagle 655 or anything from the weimar or nazi era...

Aluminum bottoms were first used in the 1920's, so unless your pistol has rework marks from the Weimar or Nazi period, only wood based ones would be correct.

Ed

drewas · 01-01-2008, 12:14 PM

Thanks, Ed. Where would you suggest looking for a loading tool such as this? What would be a fair price?

The magazine that I asked about was in the spare magazine pouch of the holster that was taken from a German tank commander in Belgium in WWII so it must have been added by the officer or issued with the weapon in WWII. Were these pistols usually issued with one or two matching numbered magazines?

Vlim · 01-01-2008, 12:29 PM

Hi,

Magazines were replaced when needed, just as they are nowadays. Also, not a lot of care went into assuring the magazines issued with the guns stayed with them. Police took a bit more care, as their pistols and magazines saw a lot less action.

So in my book, just about any functional period correct magazine is just as valid as the next one.

Lugerdoc · 01-02-2008, 10:37 AM

Drew, Your 758W+ aluminum bottomed mag with NO WaA, was original issued with a 1939 E/F Police Banner luger. Given this info, I bet that there is a Forum memeber looking for one like that, who will trade you a nice wood bottomed PO8 military mag for your PO8. I do have several original unmarked DWM mag loading tools available @$40 each postpaid. hellerarms@webtv.net

drewas · 01-02-2008, 12:10 PM

Thanks for the info, Lugerdoc. It has been fun learning about this WWII relic and members of this forum have been a great resource.

The magazine in question was in the spare mag pouch of the 1916 holster which contained a 1913 DWM, 17th Ulanden. This rig is in exactly the condition it was when my father-in-law disarmed a Tiger commander in Belgium in 1944. I intend to keep everything as is, but it is interesting to learn about the various components. It didn't contain a loading tool (There are some cotton patches held by the snap that should hold the tool.), so I thought it would be nice to replace that, but it has to be an original.

The magazine that is loaded into the pistol is the wood-capped type with matching serial number.

Can I write to you directly about getting a loading tool? Can you accept PayPal?

Thanks.

Doc

12-19-2007, 09:01 PM	#1
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Real vs. Repro Loading Tools Comparison of real and fake loading tool. Fake is overall larger in appearance, particularly at the top of the tool. Notice smooth polished edges on fake, slightly larger size. The fake is so bad, it doesnt even work with a mag ! Attached Thumbnails

12-19-2007, 09:02 PM	#2
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I thought the byf 41 was a nice touch....? It came in an authentic (very very nice I might add) ... dlu 41 holster which housed a byf 41 black widow) Attached Thumbnails

12-19-2007, 09:02 PM	#3
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thickness differences; fake on top Attached Thumbnails

12-19-2007, 10:34 PM	#4
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	granppa Seen Luger repo loading tools with the same byf markings offered on eBay. Others are marked with the word Mauser or a large WaAxxx which is usually off centered. They will be out with SS marked tools soon enough. Thank you for posting these pictures. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

12-20-2007, 12:57 PM	#5
Wilhelm User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 340 Thanks: 43 Thanked 107 Times in 51 Posts	I use a repro all the time. Works fine and saves money for ammo! __________________ I promise to be nice and play well with others

12-25-2007, 12:24 AM	#6
DaveRay User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Yerington, Nevada Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am new here, and have a question. This tool is to aid in loading the magazine, yes? If I have figured it out correctly, the thumb button on the mag fits into the hole, and the bent pad is used to pull it down in the mag??? I also assume the tool locks the button and pusher as the ordinance is loaded?? Am I close, or really off on this? It is real fun loading the mag with just a thumb on the button, and the rounds (hahaha).

12-25-2007, 01:05 AM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	The bent pad is used to pull down the button but does not lock in any certain position. Just alot easier on the thumb as you pull it down. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

12-26-2007, 02:46 PM	#9
DaveRay User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Yerington, Nevada Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for the clarification. I don't have one of these tools, authentic or reproduction, but I do think it is more than just a loading tool for the magazine button. From the looks of it, I'd think it had at least two more uses, The straight end would be for unlatching the firing pin, with its screwdriver like end into the pin's slot, although I do this with my finger, And/Or, As a tool for the main spring in the handle. Am I anywhere near correct, or way off the ball on this? Thanks, Dave.

12-26-2007, 02:55 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	you are correct on the firing pin. I have never tried and don't know if I would for the mainspring It is also used for the grip screws... Ed PS grandpa this is a good thread, there is also a posting in the FAQ in the new collectors area that shows differences in repro and real tools... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=13121

12-26-2007, 07:47 PM	#11
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Not yet found a reproduction loading tool that workes well (but there is plenty of them out there, so I'm sure there is some that will). Those I have had have bended or simply didn't fit the magazine. I keep an original one amoung my key's, having it there is a killer for it's 'finish', but it workes great every time I need it. The two reproduction holsters I have, they have a surprisingly good quality! Used them quite a lot, been in the rain several times and had no maintenance.. still going strong after a couple of years. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

12-26-2007, 11:32 PM	#12
DaveRay User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Yerington, Nevada Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmmm, yes, the grip screws. Makes sense for them to build one tool for as many of the operations on the weapon as possible.

12-31-2007, 04:25 PM	#13
drewas User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the tips. I want to get an authentic loading tool to add to my all-original rig that includes a 1913 DWM and 1916 holster. Is there anything in particular that I should look for? Or avoid? For instance, I would think that an E63 stamp would be out of place. Also, I have the original wood-capped magazine with the pistol, but also have a spare that is blued with an aluminm butt cap. Please see the photos included. Any opinions on the age and manfacture of this magazine. Would it have been issed as a spare with this pistol? Thanks. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war."--Julius Ceasar (Shakespeare)

12-31-2007, 04:37 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	A DWM tool was not marked, so ensure it meets specifications (i.e. not a big thick / repro one), and don't get an eagle 63, eagle 655 or anything from the weimar or nazi era... Aluminum bottoms were first used in the 1920's, so unless your pistol has rework marks from the Weimar or Nazi period, only wood based ones would be correct. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-01-2008, 12:14 PM	#15
drewas User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, Ed. Where would you suggest looking for a loading tool such as this? What would be a fair price? The magazine that I asked about was in the spare magazine pouch of the holster that was taken from a German tank commander in Belgium in WWII so it must have been added by the officer or issued with the weapon in WWII. Were these pistols usually issued with one or two matching numbered magazines? __________________ "Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war."--Julius Ceasar (Shakespeare)

01-01-2008, 12:29 PM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Hi, Magazines were replaced when needed, just as they are nowadays. Also, not a lot of care went into assuring the magazines issued with the guns stayed with them. Police took a bit more care, as their pistols and magazines saw a lot less action. So in my book, just about any functional period correct magazine is just as valid as the next one.

01-02-2008, 10:37 AM	#17
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Drew, Your 758W+ aluminum bottomed mag with NO WaA, was original issued with a 1939 E/F Police Banner luger. Given this info, I bet that there is a Forum memeber looking for one like that, who will trade you a nice wood bottomed PO8 military mag for your PO8. I do have several original unmarked DWM mag loading tools available @$40 each postpaid. hellerarms@webtv.net __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-02-2008, 12:10 PM	#18
drewas User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info, Lugerdoc. It has been fun learning about this WWII relic and members of this forum have been a great resource. The magazine in question was in the spare mag pouch of the 1916 holster which contained a 1913 DWM, 17th Ulanden. This rig is in exactly the condition it was when my father-in-law disarmed a Tiger commander in Belgium in 1944. I intend to keep everything as is, but it is interesting to learn about the various components. It didn't contain a loading tool (There are some cotton patches held by the snap that should hold the tool.), so I thought it would be nice to replace that, but it has to be an original. The magazine that is loaded into the pistol is the wood-capped type with matching serial number. Can I write to you directly about getting a loading tool? Can you accept PayPal? Thanks. Doc Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war."--Julius Ceasar (Shakespeare)