Real vs. Repro Loading Tools
 

Comparison of real and fake loading tool. Fake is overall larger in appearance, particularly at the top of the tool. Notice smooth polished edges on fake, slightly larger size. The fake is so bad, it doesnt even work with a mag !

I thought the byf 41 was a nice touch....? It came in an authentic (very very nice I might add) ... dlu 41 holster which housed a byf 41 black widow)

thickness differences; fake on top

granppa

Seen Luger repo loading tools with the same byf markings offered on eBay. Others are marked with the word Mauser or a large WaAxxx which is usually off centered. They will be out with SS marked tools soon enough.

Thank you for posting these pictures.

Joe

I use a repro all the time. Works fine and saves money for ammo!

I am new here, and have a question. This tool is to aid in loading the magazine, yes? If I have figured it out correctly, the thumb button on the mag fits into the hole, and the bent pad is used to pull it down in the mag??? I also assume the tool locks the button and pusher as the ordinance is loaded?? Am I close, or really off on this? It is real fun loading the mag with just a thumb on the button, and the rounds (hahaha).

The bent pad is used to pull down the button but does not lock in any certain position. Just alot easier on the thumb as you pull it down.
Mike C.

I have had repro ones bend on me when using as a screw driver, so I just buy real ones to use...



Ed

Thank you for the clarification.

I don't have one of these tools, authentic or reproduction, but I do think it is more than just a loading tool for the magazine button. From the looks of it, I'd think it had at least two more uses,

The straight end would be for unlatching the firing pin, with its screwdriver like end into the pin's slot, although I do this with my finger,

And/Or,

As a tool for the main spring in the handle.

Am I anywhere near correct, or way off the ball on this?

Thanks,

Dave.

you are correct on the firing pin. I have never tried and don't know if I would for the mainspring :eek:

It is also used for the grip screws...


Ed

PS grandpa this is a good thread, there is also a posting in the FAQ in the new collectors area that shows differences in repro and real tools...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=13121

Not yet found a reproduction loading tool that workes well (but there is plenty of them out there, so I'm sure there is some that will). Those I have had have bended or simply didn't fit the magazine.
I keep an original one amoung my key's, having it there is a killer for it's 'finish', but it workes great every time I need it.

The two reproduction holsters I have, they have a surprisingly good quality! Used them quite a lot, been in the rain several times and had no maintenance.. still going strong after a couple of years.

Hmmm, yes, the grip screws. Makes sense for them to build one tool for as many of the operations on the weapon as possible.

Thanks for the tips. I want to get an authentic loading tool to add to my all-original rig that includes a 1913 DWM and 1916 holster. Is there anything in particular that I should look for? Or avoid? For instance, I would think that an E63 stamp would be out of place.

Also, I have the original wood-capped magazine with the pistol, but also have a spare that is blued with an aluminm butt cap. Please see the photos included. Any opinions on the age and manfacture of this magazine. Would it have been issed as a spare with this pistol?

Thanks.

A DWM tool was not marked, so ensure it meets specifications (i.e. not a big thick / repro one), and don't get an eagle 63, eagle 655 or anything from the weimar or nazi era...


Aluminum bottoms were first used in the 1920's, so unless your pistol has rework marks from the Weimar or Nazi period, only wood based ones would be correct.


Ed

Thanks, Ed. Where would you suggest looking for a loading tool such as this? What would be a fair price?

The magazine that I asked about was in the spare magazine pouch of the holster that was taken from a German tank commander in Belgium in WWII so it must have been added by the officer or issued with the weapon in WWII. Were these pistols usually issued with one or two matching numbered magazines?

Hi,

Magazines were replaced when needed, just as they are nowadays. Also, not a lot of care went into assuring the magazines issued with the guns stayed with them. Police took a bit more care, as their pistols and magazines saw a lot less action.

So in my book, just about any functional period correct magazine is just as valid as the next one.

Drew, Your 758W+ aluminum bottomed mag with NO WaA, was original issued with a 1939 E/F Police Banner luger. Given this info, I bet that there is a Forum memeber looking for one like that, who will trade you a nice wood bottomed PO8 military mag for your PO8. I do have several original unmarked DWM mag loading tools available @$40 each postpaid. hellerarms@webtv.net

Thanks for the info, Lugerdoc. It has been fun learning about this WWII relic and members of this forum have been a great resource.

The magazine in question was in the spare mag pouch of the 1916 holster which contained a 1913 DWM, 17th Ulanden. This rig is in exactly the condition it was when my father-in-law disarmed a Tiger commander in Belgium in 1944. I intend to keep everything as is, but it is interesting to learn about the various components. It didn't contain a loading tool (There are some cotton patches held by the snap that should hold the tool.), so I thought it would be nice to replace that, but it has to be an original.

The magazine that is loaded into the pistol is the wood-capped type with matching serial number.

Can I write to you directly about getting a loading tool? Can you accept PayPal?

Thanks.

Doc