steel stock

Augsburger · 09-07-2006, 10:51 AM

In the Luger Forum Centerfolds section, October, is a .30 cal. gun with a steel shoulder stock. I have a fried in Az. who bought one just like it but doesn't know what it is. Can someone please give me some info on the history of this type of stock, i.e. issue, make, dates etc.. Thanks for the help.

John Sabato · 09-07-2006, 12:04 PM

If this is the photo you are referring to in the Old Luger Centerfolds... this is a Model 1900 Luger equipped with an Ideal Stock... Ideal being the manufacturer...

The stock is ambidextrious and can be worn on either side as a holster and extends to create a shoulder stock. The gun has to be equipped with matching grips that are made to accept the stock... the stock does not attach to the pistol, but to the grips.

This stock can only legally be attached and use with the model shown... use of any other Luger with this stock/grip combination would be a federal felony of creating a short barreled rifle...

You will find several examples of this stock in the Member Gallery. Do a search in the gallery for "IDEAL" as well as on the lugerforum... you will find all the info you are looking for.

Augsburger · 09-07-2006, 12:29 PM

thanks John....you are always a great help.........G

Dwight Gruber · 09-07-2006, 03:44 PM

Glen,

To expand on John's cautionary note, the Ideal stock/holster can be attached to a 1900, 1902, or 1906 Luger, but only the American Eagle variation.

Congratulations to your friend, they are a very neat accessory.

The Ideal stock/holster was patented in 1904 (1901 in Great Britain), and marketed until about 1910. One needs to be alert when looking at one of these--it is not commonly recognized amongst most Luger collectors that there were actually versions made for revolvers and Colt large-frame auto-loaders as well, and a Luger will not fit these.

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 09-07-2006, 07:13 PM

Dwight, Where did you see that the Ideal stock was only legal (in US) on the Am.Eagle marked models, as the grips will fit on any of the grip safety models? TH

Dwight Gruber · 09-07-2006, 08:04 PM

Tom,

BATF Firearms Curios or Relics List
ATF P 5300.11 (3-2001)
p.34

Your point about the U.S. legality is well noted.

--Dwight

09-07-2006, 10:51 AM	#1
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	steel stock In the Luger Forum Centerfolds section, October, is a .30 cal. gun with a steel shoulder stock. I have a fried in Az. who bought one just like it but doesn't know what it is. Can someone please give me some info on the history of this type of stock, i.e. issue, make, dates etc.. Thanks for the help. __________________ Wilder Eber

09-07-2006, 12:04 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Ideal Stock If this is the photo you are referring to in the Old Luger Centerfolds... this is a Model 1900 Luger equipped with an Ideal Stock... Ideal being the manufacturer... The stock is ambidextrious and can be worn on either side as a holster and extends to create a shoulder stock. The gun has to be equipped with matching grips that are made to accept the stock... the stock does not attach to the pistol, but to the grips. This stock can only legally be attached and use with the model shown... use of any other Luger with this stock/grip combination would be a federal felony of creating a short barreled rifle... You will find several examples of this stock in the Member Gallery. Do a search in the gallery for "IDEAL" as well as on the lugerforum... you will find all the info you are looking for. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-07-2006, 12:29 PM	#3
Augsburger User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tejas Posts: 160 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 5 Posts	thanks John....you are always a great help.........G __________________ Wilder Eber

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Dwight, Where did you see that the Ideal stock was only legal (in US) on the Am.Eagle marked models, as the grips will fit on any of the grip safety models? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-07-2006, 03:44 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Glen, To expand on John's cautionary note, the Ideal stock/holster can be attached to a 1900, 1902, or 1906 Luger, but only the American Eagle variation. Congratulations to your friend, they are a very neat accessory. The Ideal stock/holster was patented in 1904 (1901 in Great Britain), and marketed until about 1910. One needs to be alert when looking at one of these--it is not commonly recognized amongst most Luger collectors that there were actually versions made for revolvers and Colt large-frame auto-loaders as well, and a Luger will not fit these. --Dwight

09-07-2006, 08:04 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Tom, BATF Firearms Curios or Relics List ATF P 5300.11 (3-2001) p.34 Your point about the U.S. legality is well noted. --Dwight