You never know !!

Edward Tinker · 07-04-2006, 12:15 PM

I was sitting in my room, going over old pictures, deleting, moving, etc. Most are luger pictures surprise, surprise...

I was looking at these prices (amazing, wish I had a trunk of them for that price ) and came across a catalog that I bought off of ebay 3 or 4 years ago and one that says SUHL

Heck, I didn't have this serial number in my database! And its sitting right on my own computer!

You just never know what you'll find.

Ed

marshombre · 07-04-2006, 01:14 PM

Ed, when was this list printed, '50s, early '60s? MR

Edward Tinker · 07-04-2006, 01:27 PM

I don't remember, I have it at home, but only digital here with me. I think it was either 1957 or 1960?

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 07-04-2006, 03:46 PM

Ed,

Very nice, thanks for the new numbers for the commercial database, as well. The pages you posted are both page 3, did you intend to post two different pages?

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 07-04-2006, 04:03 PM

Thanks Dwight, I know there are about 4 pages in this listing, but I just had these, and it turns out they are the same, but I have named them 3 and 5!! Let me look some more; here is one page I had.

Ed

John Sabato · 07-05-2006, 09:55 AM

Ed and Dwight... I would be cautious in using these serial numbers in your databases because back then there wasn't much emphasis placed on the suffix letter. I noticed that none on these pages indicate the suffix which implies that they didn't bother to record them... Using them in your database might not ensure accuracy I know both of you are looking for...

HerbZ · 07-05-2006, 10:15 AM

If I may add my 50 cents worth (adjusted for inflation from 2 cents), while I've known since the early 1960s that byf was a kind of code or short hand for Mauser, I never had any understanding of the suffix letter until I came upon this web site last month. I don't think my former level of ignorance concerning the suffix was particularly rare in the past, or in the present for that matter.

Dwight Gruber · 07-05-2006, 11:55 AM

John,

Already on top of that one. The 5-digit numbers are good, Alphabet Commercials without suffix are useless and I regretfully pass them up.

--Dwight

John Sabato · 07-05-2006, 01:40 PM

Herbz, it seems it has only been in the last two decades where those other than collectors have even become aware of the signifigance of the suffix letter... new folks to Lugers need to know that the suffix letter is an essential part of the serial number...

With most military models having 4 digits or less, repeated numbers are frequent for the military production of Lugers... the only thing that distinguishes one 9999 from another 9999 are the manufacturer's code, the year of manufacture, and the suffix letter... those things in combination are what make each military Luger unique...

Edward Tinker · 07-05-2006, 06:09 PM

Thanks, it still helps my data base, as I can have no suffix, or an "a" suffix...

07-04-2006, 12:15 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	You never know !! I was sitting in my room, going over old pictures, deleting, moving, etc. Most are luger pictures surprise, surprise... I was looking at these prices (amazing, wish I had a trunk of them for that price ) and came across a catalog that I bought off of ebay 3 or 4 years ago and one that says SUHL Heck, I didn't have this serial number in my database! And its sitting right on my own computer! You just never know what you'll find. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-04-2006, 01:14 PM	#2
marshombre User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: W Central FL Posts: 98 Thanks: 13 Thanked 20 Times in 11 Posts	Ed, when was this list printed, '50s, early '60s? MR __________________ Tempus edax rerum

07-05-2006, 09:55 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Ed and Dwight... I would be cautious in using these serial numbers in your databases because back then there wasn't much emphasis placed on the suffix letter. I noticed that none on these pages indicate the suffix which implies that they didn't bother to record them... Using them in your database might not ensure accuracy I know both of you are looking for... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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HerbZ User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 128 Thanks: 20 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	If I may add my 50 cents worth (adjusted for inflation from 2 cents), while I've known since the early 1960s that byf was a kind of code or short hand for Mauser, I never had any understanding of the suffix letter until I came upon this web site last month. I don't think my former level of ignorance concerning the suffix was particularly rare in the past, or in the present for that matter. __________________ "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." Mark Twain

07-05-2006, 01:40 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Herbz, it seems it has only been in the last two decades where those other than collectors have even become aware of the signifigance of the suffix letter... new folks to Lugers need to know that the suffix letter is an essential part of the serial number... With most military models having 4 digits or less, repeated numbers are frequent for the military production of Lugers... the only thing that distinguishes one 9999 from another 9999 are the manufacturer's code, the year of manufacture, and the suffix letter... those things in combination are what make each military Luger unique... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-04-2006, 01:27 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	I don't remember, I have it at home, but only digital here with me. I think it was either 1957 or 1960? Ed

07-04-2006, 03:46 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Ed, Very nice, thanks for the new numbers for the commercial database, as well. The pages you posted are both page 3, did you intend to post two different pages? --Dwight

07-04-2006, 04:03 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Thanks Dwight, I know there are about 4 pages in this listing, but I just had these, and it turns out they are the same, but I have named them 3 and 5!! Let me look some more; here is one page I had. Ed

07-05-2006, 11:55 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	John, Already on top of that one. The 5-digit numbers are good, Alphabet Commercials without suffix are useless and I regretfully pass them up. --Dwight

07-05-2006, 06:09 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Thanks, it still helps my data base, as I can have no suffix, or an "a" suffix... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV