Pp Ss Issue?

SAKIJOE · 04-02-2006, 02:24 AM

HI I JUST BOUGHT A PP PISTOL AT A GUN SHOW. AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT FALLS IN THE SERIAL NUMBER RANGE THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE SS?? COULD THAT BE TRUE? THE SERIAL NUMBER IS ON THE SLIDE, FRAME AND THE MAGAZINE. ON THE SPINE.
THE SERIAL NUMBER OF THE PISTOL IS 204838 P
IT IS A COMMERCIAL MADE PISTOL. EAGLE OVER N....
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHEN IT WAS MADE AND COULD IT HAVE BEEN ISSUED TO THE SS?????
BOB

Marvin · 04-02-2006, 08:09 AM

When someone is trying to sell a firearm, stories can get on the "wild" side. When buying a firearm, buy the weapon, not the story unless there is definite proof! The dealer wants to sell the item.

With that said, I checked my verified SS, RSHA - Reich Security Main Office, issued Walthers. Most of these were the PPK, but a few PPs were issued. The closest S/N listed is 204111 P, issued to Karl Dettmann, a Kriminalangestelter (acting detective), issued Nov 12 1943.

Could it have been issued to an SS person, possibly, but without poof it is just a story. The SS, from what I have read, did not buy in large "blocks" to issue. Officers of the SS probably had to buy their own handguns like the miltary officers, so any S/N could show up. I am not sure of the time of manufacture, but it would be in the early 1940s

SAKIJOE · 04-02-2006, 09:28 PM

HI TAC, I USE CAP LETTERS I LOST PART OF MY RIGHT FINGERS IN NAM. IN 1968.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP WITH SCOTT GAHIMER. I HOPE THAT HE WILL TELL ME ABOUT MY PP PISTOL. I SHOULD WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE HISTORY ON IT.
AGAIN THANKS!!!
REGARDS
BOB

Revolvr · 04-02-2006, 10:06 PM

Also a lot of P38/PP/PPK experts here:

http://www.p38forum.com/

SAKIJOE · 04-02-2006, 10:48 PM

HI TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE LUGER FORUM. I HOPE ALL OF YOU CAN BE OF HELP TO ME ABOUT MY PP PISTOL.
REGARDS
BOB

Lyn Islaub · 04-03-2006, 12:50 AM

Bob,
John P. Pearson Has contributed several articles to the AUTOMAG, over the last 18 months, outlining his research into serial number ranges of Walther PPKs that were issued to the SS and I would imagine that his data base extends to PPs of the same period. John can be contacted at P.O. Box 2524 Toluca, Calif 91610. You will find him to be a real gentleman that will be more than willing to help you research your pistol.
Lyn

Edward Tinker · 04-03-2006, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SAKIJOE
HI TAC, I USE CAP LETTERS I LOST PART OF MY RIGHT FINGERS IN NAM. IN 1968.
REGARDS
BOB

Bob, we understand, you can YELL as much as you want. Thanks for serving our country.

Ed

SAKIJOE · 04-03-2006, 01:55 AM

HI LYN THANK YOU FOR THE NAME TO SEND THE SERIAL NUMBER TO FOR THE SS PP PISTOL.........
REGARDS
BOB

SAKIJOE · 04-03-2006, 11:45 AM

HI THATS OK

Rod WMG · 04-03-2006, 03:13 PM

Bob, I echo what Ed said about thanking you for your service. It, and that of all our vets and active personnel, is deeply appreciated.

Rod WMG · 04-03-2006, 03:13 PM

Bob, I echo what Ed said about thanking you for your service. It, and that of all our vets and active personnel, is deeply appreciated.

SAKIJOE · 04-03-2006, 06:51 PM

TO ALL THE LUGERFORUM MEMBERS...........
MY HAT GOES OF TO ANY SOLDIER, AIRMAN, OR SAILOR. THAT SERVED THEIR COUNTRY. IF YOU WERE A COOK OR A MUD POUNDER. THEY ALL DID THEIR DUTY.

DUTY, HONOUR, COUNTRY
BOB

SAKIJOE · 04-04-2006, 11:20 PM

TO THE MEMBERS
TWO EXPERTS TOLD ME THAT THIS IS NOT A STORY. DIETER H. MARSCHALL FROM SCHIFFERSTADT FROM GERMANY STATED ON THE P38 AND PP-PPK DISCUSSION FORUM. AND JOHN PEARSON TALKED TO ME ON THE PHONE TODAY AND REASSURED ME THAT FOR A FACT THIS IS A REAL SS ISSUE PISTOL.
NOW I KNOW FOR SURE ABOUT THIS PISTOL. THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP.....
REGARDS
BOB

the gunman · 04-05-2006, 09:48 AM

Quite a find Bob. Always good when you find this kind of information.

Marvin · 04-05-2006, 01:25 PM

Bob,

Glad to hear that you got the straight information from Deiter. If he says it is correct, it is correct. I looked in Deiter's book on the SS PPs and did not see your particular pistol noted, but I am glad you found the answer. Congratulations on the find!

04-02-2006, 02:24 AM	#1
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pp Ss Issue? HI I JUST BOUGHT A PP PISTOL AT A GUN SHOW. AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT FALLS IN THE SERIAL NUMBER RANGE THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE SS?? COULD THAT BE TRUE? THE SERIAL NUMBER IS ON THE SLIDE, FRAME AND THE MAGAZINE. ON THE SPINE. THE SERIAL NUMBER OF THE PISTOL IS 204838 P IT IS A COMMERCIAL MADE PISTOL. EAGLE OVER N.... CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHEN IT WAS MADE AND COULD IT HAVE BEEN ISSUED TO THE SS????? BOB

04-02-2006, 09:28 PM	#3
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	PP SS ISSUE HI TAC, I USE CAP LETTERS I LOST PART OF MY RIGHT FINGERS IN NAM. IN 1968. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP WITH SCOTT GAHIMER. I HOPE THAT HE WILL TELL ME ABOUT MY PP PISTOL. I SHOULD WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE HISTORY ON IT. AGAIN THANKS!!! REGARDS BOB

04-02-2006, 10:48 PM	#5
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	SS PP HI TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE LUGER FORUM. I HOPE ALL OF YOU CAN BE OF HELP TO ME ABOUT MY PP PISTOL. REGARDS BOB

04-03-2006, 01:55 AM	#8
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TO LYN HI LYN THANK YOU FOR THE NAME TO SEND THE SERIAL NUMBER TO FOR THE SS PP PISTOL......... REGARDS BOB

04-03-2006, 11:45 AM	#9
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HI TAC HI THATS OK

04-02-2006, 08:09 AM	#2
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	When someone is trying to sell a firearm, stories can get on the "wild" side. When buying a firearm, buy the weapon, not the story unless there is definite proof! The dealer wants to sell the item. With that said, I checked my verified SS, RSHA - Reich Security Main Office, issued Walthers. Most of these were the PPK, but a few PPs were issued. The closest S/N listed is 204111 P, issued to Karl Dettmann, a Kriminalangestelter (acting detective), issued Nov 12 1943. Could it have been issued to an SS person, possibly, but without poof it is just a story. The SS, from what I have read, did not buy in large "blocks" to issue. Officers of the SS probably had to buy their own handguns like the miltary officers, so any S/N could show up. I am not sure of the time of manufacture, but it would be in the early 1940s

04-02-2006, 10:06 PM	#4
Revolvr User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 86 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also a lot of P38/PP/PPK experts here: http://www.p38forum.com/

04-03-2006, 12:50 AM	#6
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Bob, John P. Pearson Has contributed several articles to the AUTOMAG, over the last 18 months, outlining his research into serial number ranges of Walther PPKs that were issued to the SS and I would imagine that his data base extends to PPs of the same period. John can be contacted at P.O. Box 2524 Toluca, Calif 91610. You will find him to be a real gentleman that will be more than willing to help you research your pistol. Lyn

04-03-2006, 03:13 PM	#10
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bob, I echo what Ed said about thanking you for your service. It, and that of all our vets and active personnel, is deeply appreciated.

04-03-2006, 06:51 PM	#12
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TO ALL THE LUGERFORUM MEMBERS........... MY HAT GOES OF TO ANY SOLDIER, AIRMAN, OR SAILOR. THAT SERVED THEIR COUNTRY. IF YOU WERE A COOK OR A MUD POUNDER. THEY ALL DID THEIR DUTY. DUTY, HONOUR, COUNTRY BOB

04-04-2006, 11:20 PM	#13
SAKIJOE User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OHIO Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	SS PP PISTOL TO THE MEMBERS TWO EXPERTS TOLD ME THAT THIS IS NOT A STORY. DIETER H. MARSCHALL FROM SCHIFFERSTADT FROM GERMANY STATED ON THE P38 AND PP-PPK DISCUSSION FORUM. AND JOHN PEARSON TALKED TO ME ON THE PHONE TODAY AND REASSURED ME THAT FOR A FACT THIS IS A REAL SS ISSUE PISTOL. NOW I KNOW FOR SURE ABOUT THIS PISTOL. THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP..... REGARDS BOB

04-05-2006, 09:48 AM	#14
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Quite a find Bob. Always good when you find this kind of information.

04-05-2006, 01:25 PM	#15
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bob, Glad to hear that you got the straight information from Deiter. If he says it is correct, it is correct. I looked in Deiter's book on the SS PPs and did not see your particular pistol noted, but I am glad you found the answer. Congratulations on the find!