WW1 Luger with KAGGR1 marking

suum cuique · 09-17-2009, 08:28 PM

Gentlemen,
did somebody ever saw a Luger with a unit marking:
KAGGR or KAGGR1 ?
Thanks

klaus 3338 · 09-18-2009, 07:44 AM

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

yes, I know it is the Alexander-Rgt.
I 've collected alot of items of this Regiment during the last 20 years.
Here you can see our great-grandfather Franz. He is wearing a miter and a clarinette:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_...Regiment_Nr._1

I'm looking for a luger with the KAGGR / KAGGR1 marking, but I am not sure if a luger with this marking even exists.

jussi16 · 09-18-2009, 05:28 PM

Hello!

Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great!

In my country we don`t have any monarchs...
Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war...

Mostly peasants and such..

For more, see Internet.

Sorry for my irony.

No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

Ron Wood · 09-18-2009, 05:54 PM

Andy,
I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment.

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Andy,
I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment.

2. Garde Regiment zu Fuss or
"Kaiser Franz" Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr.2 ?

Anyway, a nice marking

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jussi16

Hello!

Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great!

In my country we don`t have any monarchs...
Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war...

Mostly peasants and such..

For more, see Internet.

Sorry for my irony.

No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

Unfortunatly the Kaiser was not a relative, just the gentleman with the miter.
Well, at least the Finns were good, trustworth allies.

suum cuique · 09-18-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

Klaus, was / is this holster for sale?

klaus 3338 · 09-19-2009, 01:54 AM

It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

suum cuique · 09-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

I would buy a holster like this instantly. I collect KAGGR1 stuff.

klaus 3338 · 09-19-2009, 02:44 PM

Andy,
I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911.
Regards Klaus

suum cuique · 09-19-2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338

Andy,
I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911.
Regards Klaus

Klaus,
even a KAGGR4 holster is very rare.
If you cross a KAGGR1 holster sometime, please keep me in mind.

"Es lebe hoch das Regiment, dass sich mit Stolz Alexander nennt!"
(Hail the Regiment, which is called Alexander)

Jan C Still · 09-20-2009, 12:50 AM

Andy
I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition.
Jan

RichSr · 09-19-2009, 10:01 AM

Andy,
I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history.

suum cuique · 09-19-2009, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichSr

Andy,
I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history.

Rich,
honestly, I always thought it is a clarinette.

Thanks for your information, I have to check on this.

klaus 3338 · 09-19-2009, 02:48 PM

Ron, one time more a nice unit marked Luger. You have a great collection and are one of the best experts. Thanks for showing.
Regards Klaus

Ron Wood · 09-19-2009, 03:55 PM

Thank you Klaus. Considering the excellent quality of your collection, I consider your complement high praise indeed.

Ron Wood · 09-21-2009, 08:22 PM

Andy,
Luger unit markings do not include the honorary designation, so "1.G.G.xx.x" is exactly what you are looking for.

Jan C Still · 09-21-2009, 10:54 PM

Andy
Luger marking instructions call for 1.G.G. as the format for the 1st Garde Grenadier Regiment. Gortz German Small Arms Markings (page 20, 40) identifies this as "Kaiser Alexander Garde -Grenader-Regiment Nr 1". Have never seen (nor has such been reported) a Luger marked KAGGR / KAGGR1. However, I have a spiked helmet marked KAGGR1 / IB Only small arms were subject to markings regulations.

The unit markings instructions do not include honor names on pistols. However, such are rarely observed.
Jan
All this information is in a book and not on the net.

suum cuique · 09-22-2009, 10:01 AM

Gentlemen,
thanks to you all for the information.
This forum is a great source of knowlege.

09-17-2009, 08:28 PM	#1
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	WW1 Luger with KAGGR1 marking Gentlemen, did somebody ever saw a Luger with a unit marking: KAGGR or KAGGR1 ? Thanks __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz) Last edited by suum cuique; 09-17-2009 at 11:27 PM.

09-18-2009, 05:54 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Andy, I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment. Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-19-2009, 02:44 PM	#11
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	Andy, I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911. Regards Klaus Attached Thumbnails

09-19-2009, 10:01 AM	#14
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 154 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Andy, I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history. __________________ Rich

09-19-2009, 03:55 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Thank you Klaus. Considering the excellent quality of your collection, I consider your complement high praise indeed. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction Last edited by Ron Wood; 09-20-2009 at 04:27 PM.

09-18-2009, 07:44 AM	#2
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1. I remember a holster for it. Regards Klaus

09-18-2009, 05:28 PM	#4
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	Hello! Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great! In my country we don`t have any monarchs... Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war... Mostly peasants and such.. For more, see Internet. Sorry for my irony. No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

09-19-2009, 01:54 AM	#9
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

09-20-2009, 12:50 AM	#13
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Andy I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition. Jan

09-19-2009, 02:48 PM	#16
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 417 Times in 162 Posts	Ron, one time more a nice unit marked Luger. You have a great collection and are one of the best experts. Thanks for showing. Regards Klaus

09-21-2009, 08:22 PM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Andy, Luger unit markings do not include the honorary designation, so "1.G.G.xx.x" is exactly what you are looking for. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-21-2009, 10:54 PM	#19
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Andy Luger marking instructions call for 1.G.G. as the format for the 1st Garde Grenadier Regiment. Gortz German Small Arms Markings (page 20, 40) identifies this as "Kaiser Alexander Garde -Grenader-Regiment Nr 1". Have never seen (nor has such been reported) a Luger marked KAGGR / KAGGR1. However, I have a spiked helmet marked KAGGR1 / IB Only small arms were subject to markings regulations. The unit markings instructions do not include honor names on pistols. However, such are rarely observed. Jan All this information is in a book and not on the net. Last edited by Jan C Still; 09-22-2009 at 01:35 AM.

09-22-2009, 10:01 AM	#20
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Gentlemen, thanks to you all for the information. This forum is a great source of knowlege. __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)