Sear bar? Cant get it out....

badsnakeii · 06-20-2007, 04:19 PM

Hi there,
I just got my first luger, and im having problems striping her to get her all nice and clean. The problem is my sear bar has that wierd looking thing on top of it holding it in, i pull up on the front of that thing where it pins the sear bar, thinking it should come out but it doesnt. Any advice. I dont want to scratch, mar, or break anything so im not getting crazy with it.
Any help would be great.
Thanks
Jarrod M
Oh if it helps its a 1917, the one that shark had listed in the classifides recently.
Thanks
Jarrod M

Ron Wood · 06-20-2007, 04:31 PM

Without pictures, it sounds like you are talking about the sear bar spring. It needs to be removed to take out the sear bar. Lift up on the front of the spring by inserting a small screwdriver under the curved forward end. Push the spring forward and it will slide out of the frame. The sear bar can then be lifted out of the frame.
To re-assemble, put the sear bar back in the frame, place the spring on top of the bar and press down and back to slide the spring back into the groove in the frame.

badsnakeii · 06-20-2007, 05:26 PM

Got it thanks. It wasnt the spring, i got that part, its this other thing thats a spring loaded pin that comes in from the top.
I just wasnt pulling it up quite far enough to get the pin out.
Thanks though.
Jarrod M

Ron Wood · 06-20-2007, 08:17 PM

Sear safety?

badsnakeii · 06-20-2007, 08:26 PM

Must be. My ffl knows alot about lugers and says hes only seen some with it, its not a common thing i guess. But its factory to the rework he says, thats where most of them got that thing.
I wasnt pushing it up far enough because i didnt want to break it or bend it.
Thanks
Jarrod M

jamese · 06-22-2007, 06:49 AM

sounds like a police sear safety

DaveinTN · 06-22-2007, 09:57 AM

Jarrod,

I agree with Jamese. Here's a photo that may help. The green arrow points to the "police sear safety."

Dave in TN.

badsnakeii · 06-22-2007, 12:31 PM

Yep thats it. I found the "data base" here and found out that only the police lugers got them, unless it was added later. But mine is origional to the rework.
I did get it out and everything ok, just wasnt sure why some dont have it. And why do some have the sear bar back farther than mine, because mine there is like an 1/8 inch gap between the safety block and the sear bar, where on some they mate up right next to eachother.??
Thanks
jarrod M

Ron Wood · 06-22-2007, 02:28 PM

You have what is known as a "relieved" sear bar. In 1916 an improvement to the sear bar was made that permitted a loaded gun to be cleared with the safety on. Before the sear bar was relieved, with the safety on you couldn't bring the toggle back far enough to extract the cartridge from the chamber. Many earlier guns that were still in service were retrofitted with the relieved sear bar.

Edward Tinker · 06-22-2007, 03:48 PM

I have never and would never remove a police sear safety as a take-down to clean a luger

I think a lot of people clean "too much", but I am more afraid of damage than worried it "might not" be clean enough.... perhaps I worry needlessly

Ron Wood · 06-22-2007, 04:05 PM

Ed,
He didn't remove the sear safety, just had a little difficulty in getting it disengaged from the sear bar so that he could remove the sear bar.

06-20-2007, 04:19 PM	#1
badsnakeii User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mid West USA Posts: 40 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sear bar? Cant get it out.... Hi there, I just got my first luger, and im having problems striping her to get her all nice and clean. The problem is my sear bar has that wierd looking thing on top of it holding it in, i pull up on the front of that thing where it pins the sear bar, thinking it should come out but it doesnt. Any advice. I dont want to scratch, mar, or break anything so im not getting crazy with it. Any help would be great. Thanks Jarrod M Oh if it helps its a 1917, the one that shark had listed in the classifides recently. Thanks Jarrod M __________________ I got a luger! 1917 DWM #'s matching.

06-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Without pictures, it sounds like you are talking about the sear bar spring. It needs to be removed to take out the sear bar. Lift up on the front of the spring by inserting a small screwdriver under the curved forward end. Push the spring forward and it will slide out of the frame. The sear bar can then be lifted out of the frame. To re-assemble, put the sear bar back in the frame, place the spring on top of the bar and press down and back to slide the spring back into the groove in the frame. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-20-2007, 05:26 PM	#3
badsnakeii User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mid West USA Posts: 40 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Got it thanks. It wasnt the spring, i got that part, its this other thing thats a spring loaded pin that comes in from the top. I just wasnt pulling it up quite far enough to get the pin out. Thanks though. Jarrod M __________________ I got a luger! 1917 DWM #'s matching.

06-20-2007, 08:17 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Sear safety? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-20-2007, 08:26 PM	#5
badsnakeii User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mid West USA Posts: 40 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Must be. My ffl knows alot about lugers and says hes only seen some with it, its not a common thing i guess. But its factory to the rework he says, thats where most of them got that thing. I wasnt pushing it up far enough because i didnt want to break it or bend it. Thanks Jarrod M __________________ I got a luger! 1917 DWM #'s matching.

06-22-2007, 06:49 AM	#6
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	sounds like a police sear safety __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

06-22-2007, 09:57 AM	#7
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Jarrod, I agree with Jamese. Here's a photo that may help. The green arrow points to the "police sear safety." Dave in TN. Attached Images

06-22-2007, 12:31 PM	#8
badsnakeii User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mid West USA Posts: 40 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yep thats it. I found the "data base" here and found out that only the police lugers got them, unless it was added later. But mine is origional to the rework. I did get it out and everything ok, just wasnt sure why some dont have it. And why do some have the sear bar back farther than mine, because mine there is like an 1/8 inch gap between the safety block and the sear bar, where on some they mate up right next to eachother.?? Thanks jarrod M __________________ I got a luger! 1917 DWM #'s matching.

06-22-2007, 02:28 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	You have what is known as a "relieved" sear bar. In 1916 an improvement to the sear bar was made that permitted a loaded gun to be cleared with the safety on. Before the sear bar was relieved, with the safety on you couldn't bring the toggle back far enough to extract the cartridge from the chamber. Many earlier guns that were still in service were retrofitted with the relieved sear bar. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2007, 03:48 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	I have never and would never remove a police sear safety as a take-down to clean a luger I think a lot of people clean "too much", but I am more afraid of damage than worried it "might not" be clean enough.... perhaps I worry needlessly

06-22-2007, 04:05 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Ed, He didn't remove the sear safety, just had a little difficulty in getting it disengaged from the sear bar so that he could remove the sear bar. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction