Which is Better 9mm or ,30 Luger?

DonVoigt · 02-27-2018, 08:42 PM

(Note: Moved to separate thread... )

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Originally Posted by lundbaek

I'm not big into gun collecting but I have been thinking about acquiring a Luger, preferably WW1 era Mfg., that will serve me as a companion to my 1942 Mfg. P-38, and also as a home defence weapon should need arise. Would the .30 Cal. be more effective against body armour than the 9mm? (Even home invaders around here are taking to body armour now.)

There are better choices for "home invaders" than a luger; like a shotgun or AR or a magnum handgun. In a handgun I'd prefer a revolver, nothing to fool with to get it going. JMHO.

mrerick · 02-27-2018, 08:50 PM

You can probably buy a handgun, shotgun and an AR for close to price of a Luger...

Handgun $500
Shotgun $350
AR $500

Dwight Gruber · 02-27-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

In a handgun I'd prefer a revolver...

A revolver can be operated entirely with one hand, and won't hang up if fired from the inside of a pocket.

--Dwight

Mac Cat · 02-28-2018, 10:02 AM

Reminds me of the time I got a 9mm luger round jammed in a Tokarev pistol (TT-33 use a bigger necked down cartridge - 7.62 x 25). It did not want to come out easily, either!
How to you recommend extracting a live round ?

I used a wooden rod and small hammer, which took a few taps.

HerrKaiser · 02-28-2018, 10:14 AM

"In a handgun I'd prefer a revolver..."

I personally have an SR1911 for HD and, once I graduate and can actually use it on a regular basis, for my eventual CCW

DavidJayUden · 02-28-2018, 10:42 AM

"Reminds me of the time I got a 9mm luger round jammed in a Tokarev pistol (TT-33 use a bigger necked down cartridge - 7.62 x 25). It did not want to come out easily, either!
How to you recommend extracting a live round ?

I used a wooden rod and small hammer, which took a few taps."

That's always sporty, and certainly no time to be distracted. I liken it to snipping the red wire on an IED. (Or was it the blue wire?) In a perfect world I'd try partial disassembly to make most (non-Luger) guns safer, but of course still not "safe". Once the slide is off you may be able to lever the cartridge back with a screwdriver, but driving it backwards may still be the final solution. If there are other and better ways, I'm all ears.
dju

sheepherder · 02-28-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

A revolver can be operated entirely with one hand, and won't hang up if fired from the inside of a pocket.

There's always the possibility of catching some fabric between hammer and frame.

But I agree, and I have both a Colt Detective Special and a S&W Model 15, both w/2" bbls, for 'home defense'. Just not in my pocket.

I have seen S&W 2" bbl revolvers with 'shrouded' hammers, and would like to get one. I believe one of our members here (Ron or Jerry, I forget which) has an 'add-on' shroud on his revolver. That would be worth having.

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I liken it to snipping the red wire on an IED. (Or was it the blue wire?)

Aren't IED green wires 'ground'???

DonVoigt · 02-28-2018, 12:41 PM

In regard to the revolver, it was in reference to the OP regarding home protection.
For carry, there are other issues to consider and choices.

Colt offered the hammer "shroud" for its Police positive size wheel guns, like the Cobra and Agent; I have on on my Agent.

Smith & Wesson offered the shrouded hammer in the model 49 and the like, some call it the "humpback". They also made the completely enclosed "Centennial" type, that would be ideal for a pocket if you want to carry there.

DavidJayUden · 02-28-2018, 12:52 PM

"Aren't IED green wires 'ground'??? "

I have absolutely no idea and plan to never get close enough to find out.

dju

robert6715 · 02-28-2018, 07:49 PM

Are home invaders related to Darth Vader?

Rob

John Sabato · 03-01-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by robert6715

Are home invaders related to Darth Vader?

Rob

Only in that they are both better off Dead... or maybe that is us that is better off if they are dead.

Sergio Natali · 03-02-2018, 07:15 AM

Thank God so far home invaders here never use body amours.
Given the ample choice of modern pistols and ammo, in case of home invasion a collectible Luger would probably be one of the last pistols I would think about.

tomaustin · 03-02-2018, 07:44 PM

If you want to give them a going away party with style, by all means use the Luger....But, if you are just protecting your family, light them up with a 12 gauge and be done with it.....have a nice day...

02-27-2018, 08:50 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	You can probably buy a handgun, shotgun and an AR for close to price of a Luger... Handgun $500 Shotgun $350 AR $500 __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	In regard to the revolver, it was in reference to the OP regarding home protection. For carry, there are other issues to consider and choices. Colt offered the hammer "shroud" for its Police positive size wheel guns, like the Cobra and Agent; I have on on my Agent. Smith & Wesson offered the shrouded hammer in the model 49 and the like, some call it the "humpback". They also made the completely enclosed "Centennial" type, that would be ideal for a pocket if you want to carry there. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Thank God so far home invaders here never use body amours. Given the ample choice of modern pistols and ammo, in case of home invasion a collectible Luger would probably be one of the last pistols I would think about. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,090 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	Reminds me of the time I got a 9mm luger round jammed in a Tokarev pistol (TT-33 use a bigger necked down cartridge - 7.62 x 25). It did not want to come out easily, either! How to you recommend extracting a live round ? I used a wooden rod and small hammer, which took a few taps.

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	"In a handgun I'd prefer a revolver..." I personally have an SR1911 for HD and, once I graduate and can actually use it on a regular basis, for my eventual CCW

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"Reminds me of the time I got a 9mm luger round jammed in a Tokarev pistol (TT-33 use a bigger necked down cartridge - 7.62 x 25). It did not want to come out easily, either! How to you recommend extracting a live round ? I used a wooden rod and small hammer, which took a few taps." That's always sporty, and certainly no time to be distracted. I liken it to snipping the red wire on an IED. (Or was it the blue wire?) In a perfect world I'd try partial disassembly to make most (non-Luger) guns safer, but of course still not "safe". Once the slide is off you may be able to lever the cartridge back with a screwdriver, but driving it backwards may still be the final solution. If there are other and better ways, I'm all ears. dju

02-28-2018, 12:52 PM	#9
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"Aren't IED green wires 'ground'??? " I have absolutely no idea and plan to never get close enough to find out. dju

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robert6715 User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Afognak island Posts: 15 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Are home invaders related to Darth Vader? Rob

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tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	If you want to give them a going away party with style, by all means use the Luger....But, if you are just protecting your family, light them up with a 12 gauge and be done with it.....have a nice day...