Appraising a Luger.....

Sonofeugene · 10-19-2013, 06:39 PM

I have a Luger that I inherited some 34 years ago from my father and while I've had a couple guys look at it, they really didn't know the gun. So, I'm looking for someone in the south bay area (San Jose/Sunnyvale or as close as possible) who I can take it to for an opinion on it's worth. The main question I have is has it been re-blued or is the finish original?

The rest of it, I already know. All numbers match, both exterior and interior, except the magazine. The bore is a little rough but fine for shooting. (I plan to put a few rounds through it in the next few weeks.) And the wood grips, though a little dirty, are not soaked through with oil. There is one small missing corner of the left grip at the top/back of the grip where the safety is.

Oh, and it's a 1942 ybf. And I have some of the original communications between the seller (originally in Missouri, as I recall) and my father. He bought it and a box of ammo in 1948 for 35 dollars.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Sonofeugene · 10-19-2013, 06:50 PM

Oh, and I think you guys may get a kick out of the grips my father added. (I have the originals as well.) I always thought he made them, but now I'm not so sure.

mrerick · 10-19-2013, 07:01 PM

With all original parts, in original finish and 95% condition, it would be worth $1400-$1500 to a collector, and more at retail. If the magazine is original and numbered to the gun properly add another 35%-40%. Post some closer detail pictures and we might be able to tell you if it's original finish.

These guns were completely salt blued, and should show something of the surfaces grain and machining in some areas. if the edges are rounded, it is refinished. If they are sharp it might be original.

My first impression is that the frame edges are rounded, and that it has been refinished at some point. If that's true, it is a shooter grade gun, worth $1000 or so. You can also look for any pitting and see if it has been blued over.

As collectors here, we prefer Lugers in their original configuration. That said, your grips are pretty unique.

Your 42 byf Luger was manufactured by Mauser in Oberndorf, Germany in 1942. The serial number includes the suffix letter on the front of the frame under the 4 numeric digits.

Look at sites online like Simpson Ltd. to get an idea of retail / insurance value.

If your gun is all matching, avoid the temptation to fire it. Break a part and the collector and historic value is lost. If you doubt this advice, take a look on this forum for examples of collectable guns damaged this way, and now considered "shooter" grade.

The left grip broke in a place where it's pretty common to break them. Don't replace them if the gun is all matching, and the inside of the grips are properly marked with inspection stamps and possibly the last digits of the serial number. A competent grip restorer like Hugh Clark on this site can repair the damage.

Sonofeugene · 10-19-2013, 07:56 PM

Thanks for your feedback! I was planning to fire it (I've had a couple gunsmiths look at it and pronounce is safe for fire), but I think I'll wait until I've got a better idea if the blueing is original or now. The magazine does not match and the back sides of the original grips are pretty much free of markings, though I think I can just make out some faint depressions that might be the number 42. I plan on doing a rubbing to see if I can confirm that.

I'll attach some more pix. Looking at the various markings under the microscope indicates the edges are nice and sharp. I'll look again at the various edges to see if they're more rounded than sharp, but I sure would like to find someone knowledgeable in my area to get their opinion.

Here's some more pix:

Sonofeugene · 10-19-2013, 08:55 PM

Here's a couple more pix:

Sonofeugene · 10-19-2013, 08:57 PM

And:

tharpo · 10-19-2013, 10:10 PM

I have never seen a sear bar spring a red color like that but it goes well with the grips!
Appears to be a reblue to me.

Tom

DavidJayUden · 10-19-2013, 10:54 PM

Re-blued. Notice the lack of paint in the safety printing? It looks like a very nice Luger, and one that I'd like as a shooter (with different grips), but it has been refinished.
dju

Sonofeugene · 10-20-2013, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Re-blued. Notice the lack of paint in the safety printing? It looks like a very nice Luger, and one that I'd like as a shooter (with different grips), but it has been refinished.
dju

Thanks for the feedback. If you zoom in on one of the earlier pix, there is color in the safety printing. 'Least it appears so to me.

Maestro · 10-20-2013, 04:45 AM

where can i get grips like that

Sergio Natali · 10-20-2013, 09:04 AM

Moderator says - if you want to be mean, do it somewhere else

kubel · 10-20-2013, 01:41 PM

He says he has the original grips.

Sonofeugene · 10-20-2013, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

That's one way to ruin a nice Luger.

Yep, I've got the original grips. I still think the grips are interesting because they're a variant of what are called "sweetheart grips". Back in the day, Lugers were fairly common so modifying them wasn't a big deal.

Tony Min · 10-20-2013, 05:10 PM

Edges are very rounded so looks refinished. I would value it at $800 because of that. Krausewerk in San Mateo is the local Luger expert.

Sonofeugene · 10-20-2013, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I plan on contacting Krausewerk next week.

CAP Black · 10-20-2013, 10:58 PM

I can't help but to add a comment about the name you have selected; as the Name: Eugene doesn't have a very positive reputation on the Luger Forums - I think.
Jack

John Sabato · 10-20-2013, 11:06 PM

Reblued.

Edward Tinker · 10-20-2013, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAP Black

I can't help but to add a comment about the name you have selected; as the Name: Eugene doesn't have a very positive reputation on the Luger Forums - I think.
Jack

??

California vs Pennsylvania for location. not very fair to whack somebody on their choice of a fairly common name...

Sonofeugene · 10-21-2013, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAP Black

I can't help but to add a comment about the name you have selected; as the Name: Eugene doesn't have a very positive reputation on the Luger Forums - I think.
Jack

What??

I am my father's son. Eugene was my fathers name and he served honorably in WWII, landing in the south of France in the first wave to hit the beach. He fought the Germans until he was wounded and couldn't fight anymore. There's nothing wrong with his name and anyone who has a problem with it isn't worth paying attention to.

DavidJayUden · 10-21-2013, 09:37 AM

SOE:
There is a Russian Luger restorer in PA that goes by Eugene, actually he is Yefgeny (sp?) AKA Lugerman. Some members don't like him because his sense of time is different than ours (he says it wil be ready in 6 weeks, turns into 6 years...), but I've always had satisfactory dealings with him.
No offense intended to you, or your Dad.
Welcome aboard.
dju

10-19-2013, 06:39 PM	#1
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	Appraising a Luger..... I have a Luger that I inherited some 34 years ago from my father and while I've had a couple guys look at it, they really didn't know the gun. So, I'm looking for someone in the south bay area (San Jose/Sunnyvale or as close as possible) who I can take it to for an opinion on it's worth. The main question I have is has it been re-blued or is the finish original? The rest of it, I already know. All numbers match, both exterior and interior, except the magazine. The bore is a little rough but fine for shooting. (I plan to put a few rounds through it in the next few weeks.) And the wood grips, though a little dirty, are not soaked through with oil. There is one small missing corner of the left grip at the top/back of the grip where the safety is. Oh, and it's a 1942 ybf. And I have some of the original communications between the seller (originally in Missouri, as I recall) and my father. He bought it and a box of ammo in 1948 for 35 dollars. Thanks for any suggestions!

10-19-2013, 06:50 PM	#2
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	Oh, and I think you guys may get a kick out of the grips my father added. (I have the originals as well.) I always thought he made them, but now I'm not so sure. Attached Thumbnails

10-19-2013, 07:01 PM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	With all original parts, in original finish and 95% condition, it would be worth $1400-$1500 to a collector, and more at retail. If the magazine is original and numbered to the gun properly add another 35%-40%. Post some closer detail pictures and we might be able to tell you if it's original finish. These guns were completely salt blued, and should show something of the surfaces grain and machining in some areas. if the edges are rounded, it is refinished. If they are sharp it might be original. My first impression is that the frame edges are rounded, and that it has been refinished at some point. If that's true, it is a shooter grade gun, worth $1000 or so. You can also look for any pitting and see if it has been blued over. As collectors here, we prefer Lugers in their original configuration. That said, your grips are pretty unique. Your 42 byf Luger was manufactured by Mauser in Oberndorf, Germany in 1942. The serial number includes the suffix letter on the front of the frame under the 4 numeric digits. Look at sites online like Simpson Ltd. to get an idea of retail / insurance value. If your gun is all matching, avoid the temptation to fire it. Break a part and the collector and historic value is lost. If you doubt this advice, take a look on this forum for examples of collectable guns damaged this way, and now considered "shooter" grade. The left grip broke in a place where it's pretty common to break them. Don't replace them if the gun is all matching, and the inside of the grips are properly marked with inspection stamps and possibly the last digits of the serial number. A competent grip restorer like Hugh Clark on this site can repair the damage. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-19-2013, 07:56 PM	#4
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	Thanks for your feedback! I was planning to fire it (I've had a couple gunsmiths look at it and pronounce is safe for fire), but I think I'll wait until I've got a better idea if the blueing is original or now. The magazine does not match and the back sides of the original grips are pretty much free of markings, though I think I can just make out some faint depressions that might be the number 42. I plan on doing a rubbing to see if I can confirm that. I'll attach some more pix. Looking at the various markings under the microscope indicates the edges are nice and sharp. I'll look again at the various edges to see if they're more rounded than sharp, but I sure would like to find someone knowledgeable in my area to get their opinion. Here's some more pix: Attached Thumbnails

10-19-2013, 08:55 PM	#5
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	Here's a couple more pix: Attached Thumbnails

10-19-2013, 08:57 PM	#6
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	And: Attached Thumbnails

10-19-2013, 10:10 PM	#7
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	I have never seen a sear bar spring a red color like that but it goes well with the grips! Appears to be a reblue to me. Tom

10-19-2013, 10:54 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Re-blued. Notice the lack of paint in the safety printing? It looks like a very nice Luger, and one that I'd like as a shooter (with different grips), but it has been refinished. dju

10-20-2013, 04:45 AM	#10
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	where can i get grips like that

10-20-2013, 09:04 AM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Moderator says - if you want to be mean, do it somewhere else __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-20-2013, 01:41 PM	#12
kubel User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Thanks: 5 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts	He says he has the original grips.

10-20-2013, 05:10 PM	#14
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	Edges are very rounded so looks refinished. I would value it at $800 because of that. Krausewerk in San Mateo is the local Luger expert.

10-20-2013, 07:23 PM	#15
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	Thanks for the feedback. I plan on contacting Krausewerk next week.

10-20-2013, 10:58 PM	#16
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I can't help but to add a comment about the name you have selected; as the Name: Eugene doesn't have a very positive reputation on the Luger Forums - I think. Jack

10-20-2013, 11:06 PM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Reblued. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-21-2013, 09:37 AM	#20
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	SOE: There is a Russian Luger restorer in PA that goes by Eugene, actually he is Yefgeny (sp?) AKA Lugerman. Some members don't like him because his sense of time is different than ours (he says it wil be ready in 6 weeks, turns into 6 years...), but I've always had satisfactory dealings with him. No offense intended to you, or your Dad. Welcome aboard. dju