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Proofed · 07-22-2019, 04:12 AM

It seems the more I study the more questions I have. In my search for a Simson tool I came across these and am not sure of their authenticity, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

mrerick · 07-22-2019, 09:58 AM

Does not look authentic to me.

Once, when I was in a long search for a replacement grip screw for my Simson Luger, a well known Luger seller offered to fabricate an E/6 screw for me... Not amused.

Compare your tool to this mark of a Simson Luger. In particular, the eagle's head is not a triangle.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-22-2019, 02:40 PM

Absolutely fake. No question. Where did you see these?

Proofed · 07-22-2019, 03:36 PM

I got them at a show the story was good the buyer was a fool.
Well at least I can help others know what not to look for, that's worth something.
So I guess I am still looking for a Simson tool, in case anybody has one that's looking for a new home.
Does anyone have pics of any original Simson tools, variations etc.

Thanks to all

Edward Tinker · 07-22-2019, 07:59 PM

We have pictures of simson tools in Simson Lugers and in Police Lugers

what it says in Police Lugers

Quote:

Simson Police Tool
Simson and Company made tools of one shape throughout its production period. It is marked with the E/6
Waffenamt inspector’s mark. The tool is in the white, of the same dimensions as the Imperial tools but broader
at the screwdriver shaft. Police unit marks were placed on the front or back.

and the 2nd tool is a nazi police tool

Proofed · 07-23-2019, 11:26 AM

So neither tool is authentic ?

JTD · 07-23-2019, 12:00 PM

neither one looks good to me. Give away is swastika area is an x. Probably the die originated out of Poland. Just sold a good Simson tool to a collector friend. John

klaus 3338 · 07-24-2019, 05:54 PM

Simson and Police tools are unblued, have other shapes and the acceptance marks are not correct

George Anderson · 07-24-2019, 07:00 PM

Klaus, you are a treasure!

Proofed · 07-25-2019, 12:20 PM

Wow, thank you so much for your guidance, it doesn't get much better than this. Exactly what I needed.

07-22-2019, 04:12 AM	#1
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Tool time It seems the more I study the more questions I have. In my search for a Simson tool I came across these and am not sure of their authenticity, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

07-22-2019, 09:58 AM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Does not look authentic to me. Once, when I was in a long search for a replacement grip screw for my Simson Luger, a well known Luger seller offered to fabricate an E/6 screw for me... Not amused. Compare your tool to this mark of a Simson Luger. In particular, the eagle's head is not a triangle. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-22-2019, 02:40 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Absolutely fake. No question. Where did you see these? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-24-2019, 05:54 PM	#8
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Simson and Police tools are unblued, have other shapes and the acceptance marks are not correct Attached Thumbnails

07-22-2019, 03:36 PM	#4
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	I got them at a show the story was good the buyer was a fool. Well at least I can help others know what not to look for, that's worth something. So I guess I am still looking for a Simson tool, in case anybody has one that's looking for a new home. Does anyone have pics of any original Simson tools, variations etc. Thanks to all

07-23-2019, 11:26 AM	#6
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	So neither tool is authentic ?

07-23-2019, 12:00 PM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	neither one looks good to me. Give away is swastika area is an x. Probably the die originated out of Poland. Just sold a good Simson tool to a collector friend. John

07-24-2019, 07:00 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Klaus, you are a treasure!

07-25-2019, 12:20 PM	#10
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Wow, thank you so much for your guidance, it doesn't get much better than this. Exactly what I needed.