early toggles

Waschbaer · 06-07-2004, 01:32 AM

early parabellums aren't exactly my cup of tea, so bear with me when I ask: what is the purpose of the toggle lock on the right side of the toggle on dished models? Also, were any dished toggles manufactured without this device? I have a pistol with dished toggles, but no lock, I'm guessing they were modified from later toggles, but I have no idea at all. They happen to be commercial toggles (crown N) should that make any difference.

Lugerdoc · 06-07-2004, 08:58 AM

WB, The M1900 luger toggle lock was a carry over from the original Borchardt design, where it may have been necessary. When it was found that cartridge ignition actually pushed down the toggle in the luger, rather than trying to open it, the toggle lock was eliminated. TH

Ron Wood · 06-07-2004, 12:40 PM

Waschbaer,
If you have an early (1900) Luger with dished toggles but has no toggle lock and was never machined for one, you have a very uusual Luger indeed. If it is one of the modern commemorative Lugers made in 2000 from stainless steel, they were made up merely by machining a "dish" on the back portion of standard toggle knobs to make them look like the 1900 style. These modern repros do not have the toggle lock.

Waschbaer · 06-09-2004, 01:33 AM

No, the gun isn't modern (not stainless & heavily buffed), but I'll venture to guess that someone liked the look of the early toggles, and so just modified a wwi or wwii toggle. This is on a parts gun, so I really wasn't sure what the heck it was built out of.

06-07-2004, 01:32 AM	#1
Waschbaer User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	early toggles early parabellums aren't exactly my cup of tea, so bear with me when I ask: what is the purpose of the toggle lock on the right side of the toggle on dished models? Also, were any dished toggles manufactured without this device? I have a pistol with dished toggles, but no lock, I'm guessing they were modified from later toggles, but I have no idea at all. They happen to be commercial toggles (crown N) should that make any difference.

06-07-2004, 08:58 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	WB, The M1900 luger toggle lock was a carry over from the original Borchardt design, where it may have been necessary. When it was found that cartridge ignition actually pushed down the toggle in the luger, rather than trying to open it, the toggle lock was eliminated. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-07-2004, 12:40 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Waschbaer, If you have an early (1900) Luger with dished toggles but has no toggle lock and was never machined for one, you have a very uusual Luger indeed. If it is one of the modern commemorative Lugers made in 2000 from stainless steel, they were made up merely by machining a "dish" on the back portion of standard toggle knobs to make them look like the 1900 style. These modern repros do not have the toggle lock. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-09-2004, 01:33 AM	#4
Waschbaer User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, the gun isn't modern (not stainless & heavily buffed), but I'll venture to guess that someone liked the look of the early toggles, and so just modified a wwi or wwii toggle. This is on a parts gun, so I really wasn't sure what the heck it was built out of.