My BYF41

josef · 07-12-2003, 06:03 PM

Herb · 07-12-2003, 09:28 PM

Josef, you are certainly a person of few words. Relax, post your message.

josef · 07-12-2003, 09:36 PM

Thanks Herb! Nicest thing anyone has said to me. Okay, I'm going to try again.

josef · 07-12-2003, 09:40 PM

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger10.JPG
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger15.JPG

josef · 07-12-2003, 09:48 PM

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger4.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger5.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger6.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger7.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger8.jpg

josef · 07-12-2003, 09:49 PM

And finally, (sorry I know alot to open!)
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger9.jpg
Just got her home today and as it is my first functional one, I wanted to get some input from the forum. Is this a collectable or a "shooter" from what you can see? It is all matching, bore looks to be near excellent. Can anyone give me any mor einformation? Thanks in advance all!

Doubs · 07-12-2003, 10:29 PM

Josef, going only by the pictures, I'd say your Luger is a keeper and not one you would want to shoot. If you want to shoot a Luger, buy a shooter but leave this one as-is.

One thing about the holster that I noted in the first pictures you ran earlier this week and see again in the pictures here is that the closing strap appears to have been re-stitched to the top cover as the thread is much brighter there than on the remainder of the holster. Having said that, the stitching also looks to have been done professionally and I'd like the opinions of other members here.

A very nice Luger rig, Josef and one you'll be proud of for a long time IMO.

josef · 07-12-2003, 10:48 PM

Thanks for the help, it definitely is in nice shape. You have a good eye, the strap is definitely a different material?? and does not have the age look, must have been added on as a replacement? Here are closer pics.
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/strap001.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/strap002.jpg

Doubs · 07-13-2003, 12:59 AM

Josef, excellent pictures. The strap itself appears to be of a different leather than the body of the holster and would seem to be a replacement for the original. To my eye, the stitching is professional and properly done. One of the guys who posts as Lugerholsterrepair (IIRC) could give a more learned opinion if he sees this post.

Pete Ebbink · 07-13-2003, 01:09 AM

Joseph,

What a really nice looking rig. Thanks for posting such great jpeg photos !!!

And please take Doubs' advice. Do not shoot such a nice collection piece. If you are tempted, get a $ 600-800 "shooter" luger to satisfy those shooting urges...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

josef · 07-13-2003, 03:13 AM

Thanks Gentlemen very much! It is the nicest most complete one I've ever seen, and it is an addictive piece. Although I have several p38s this is likely my first of many Lugers. Tough to find in Canada for me. Byf41 is quite a common one, correct?

Lugerdoc · 07-13-2003, 08:13 AM

Josef, With the original BW grips, these are not common and much sought after by collectors. I thought that any pistol had to have a barrel longer than 105mm to be legally registered in Canada. How does that affect your recent find? TH

josef · 07-13-2003, 11:41 AM

Hi TH. Thanks for the information, I really thought these were more common only because I've seen a few on the various forums before for sale. I have to do some serious educating on P08s.
Very good question regarding the legalities of owning this in Canada. Anything with a barrel length of 4 inches or less IS considered prohibited in Canada, and cannot be sold to anyone other than someone else who has been "grandfathered", i.e., owned a pistol with a barrel length of 4 inches prior to 1997 ( I think that is the correct year). I was by fluke fortunate enough to have owned a short barreled handgun in that time, which gives me the special class 12:6 to own such firearms. A couple things though, a new collector or someone who has not owned such a firearm prior to 1997 cannot ever, never ever legally own such a gun, period. Can never apply for this licence. So the govt here is working on a slow total ban. When I die, this can only be sold to a person with the same grandfathered class licence, but as time goes on, fewer people will be eligible, until no one is left, and such firearms will have to be surrendered and likely destroyed. If any other Canadian members are here perhaps they could give their input too, just to make sure I'm correct with the facts.
P.S.. the 8.81 stamped at the barrel's bottom, is this a calibre?? Sorry I am so uneducated on these. Thanks again, all!

Pete Ebbink · 07-13-2003, 11:51 AM

Josef,

The 8,81 is the proofing measurement of your barrel's inside diameter in milimeters, from top of land to top of opposing land. The Germans used/use a comma instead of a decimal point, as we do here in the States...

The accepted measurements are usually in the 8.81 to 8.84 range...(if I remember this correctly...).

Too small a measurement would probably pose safety concerns. Too large a measurement might lead to bullet/target inaccuracies...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 07-13-2003, 11:59 AM

Pete & Josef,

I remember one Lugerforum member once reporting that his barrel was stamped with 8,89...

I don't know where we might substantiate the allowable land diameter size for a Luger barrel...

but I once posted a chart once showing conversions from 8,81 to 8,89 mm and the corresponding decimal size... if you do a search of the forum for "8,89" or "8.89" or maybe "land diamter" you should probably find the message thread with the chart in it.

Pete Ebbink · 07-13-2003, 12:25 PM

John,

I did the search and found the thread. The acceptable range that LF member, Frank, mentioned was 8,81 to 8.85. I stand corrected, since Mr. Big Guy forgets more about lugers than I will ever know...and he forgets very little... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

The LF member that was asking about his pistol with the 8,89 stamping did come back and say he looked at the gun more closely, again, and his was really stamped as 8,83...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 07-14-2003, 11:21 AM

...Ah yes...that Big Guy Frank! always at your service my friend, with sage advice...

I try to emulate him!

Frank · 07-14-2003, 01:36 PM

Thanks guys, I appreciate your comments!! However, like most on the forum, I am still learning. AND I hope I never stop learning. It's what I strive to do!!

kidvett · 07-15-2003, 10:00 AM

Hi Josef,

Congratulations on that beautifull pistol!

Definitively a keeper!

You are right about the Grandfathering for Prohibited ( 12 ( 6 ) ) pistols in Canada. But those individuals like you & me can possess them & enjoy them! The actual reference date for the 12-6 Class was Feb 14 1995 BUT Senate has recently moves it to December 1st 1998 ( Date of the New Gun Law ) so individuals that had prohibited pistols ( 105mm & less, 25's, 32's & 380's ) until Dec 1st 98 WILL get their 12-6 Permit back and be allowed to possess prohibited pistols! I have a personnal friend in that situation. He was obliged to sell his 2 in .38 when the LAF ( Loi sur les Armes a Feu ) came in effect. He'll now be getting his 12-6 Class back!...He's already shopping for a 2 1/2 Stainless 357

The baddest aspect of this 1998 Gun Law is that they have classified the 4 inch Military Luger as a Prohibited pistol!

To me it causes a big problem cause NO pistol can be imported in Canada and we have to live with what's available up here. I dont know about Collector supply running short??

but I have been looking for quite a while now for a 41-42 to add to my III Reich Category...needless to say without luck!

Will I ever find that one in Canada?? Some available in the US! ( Import Prohibited! )
THIS part of the Gun Law is affecting ME! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" />

kidvett

josef · 07-15-2003, 10:25 AM

Thanks for the response! I am definitely addicted now and will change the scope of my collecting. I do see Lugers around occasionally, but most are mismatched and in rough condition, still around the $600 plus range (Canadian $). Other than Marstar and CSMilitary I seldom see others for sale in Canada. The interest is high but demand is lower due to the prohibited classification I suppose. It is sad that no more will be imported here, but I think several every year do turn up as vet bringbacks. As long as the owners register them and obtain the 12:7 clause (I believe), these can be legally bought by those with 12:6 status after. So all is not lost totally, and prices do seem to be less here than in the US. Pleasee correct me if I am wrong here, I am basing this on my extremely limited knowledge of the Luger collecting field (had exclusively collected p38s before). Take care and thanks again!

07-12-2003, 06:03 PM	#1
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	My BYF41

07-12-2003, 09:28 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Josef, you are certainly a person of few words. Relax, post your message. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

07-13-2003, 08:13 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Josef, With the original BW grips, these are not common and much sought after by collectors. I thought that any pistol had to have a barrel longer than 105mm to be legally registered in Canada. How does that affect your recent find? TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-13-2003, 11:59 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Pete & Josef, I remember one Lugerforum member once reporting that his barrel was stamped with 8,89... I don't know where we might substantiate the allowable land diameter size for a Luger barrel... but I once posted a chart once showing conversions from 8,81 to 8,89 mm and the corresponding decimal size... if you do a search of the forum for "8,89" or "8.89" or maybe "land diamter" you should probably find the message thread with the chart in it. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-14-2003, 11:21 AM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	...Ah yes...that Big Guy Frank! always at your service my friend, with sage advice... I try to emulate him! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-12-2003, 09:36 PM	#3
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Herb! Nicest thing anyone has said to me. Okay, I'm going to try again.

07-12-2003, 09:40 PM	#4
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger10.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger15.JPG

07-12-2003, 09:48 PM	#5
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger4.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger5.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger6.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger7.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger8.jpg

07-12-2003, 09:49 PM	#6
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	And finally, (sorry I know alot to open!) http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger9.jpg Just got her home today and as it is my first functional one, I wanted to get some input from the forum. Is this a collectable or a "shooter" from what you can see? It is all matching, bore looks to be near excellent. Can anyone give me any mor einformation? Thanks in advance all!

07-12-2003, 10:29 PM	#7
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	Josef, going only by the pictures, I'd say your Luger is a keeper and not one you would want to shoot. If you want to shoot a Luger, buy a shooter but leave this one as-is. One thing about the holster that I noted in the first pictures you ran earlier this week and see again in the pictures here is that the closing strap appears to have been re-stitched to the top cover as the thread is much brighter there than on the remainder of the holster. Having said that, the stitching also looks to have been done professionally and I'd like the opinions of other members here. A very nice Luger rig, Josef and one you'll be proud of for a long time IMO.

07-12-2003, 10:48 PM	#8
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks for the help, it definitely is in nice shape. You have a good eye, the strap is definitely a different material?? and does not have the age look, must have been added on as a replacement? Here are closer pics. http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/strap001.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/strap002.jpg

07-13-2003, 12:59 AM	#9
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	Josef, excellent pictures. The strap itself appears to be of a different leather than the body of the holster and would seem to be a replacement for the original. To my eye, the stitching is professional and properly done. One of the guys who posts as Lugerholsterrepair (IIRC) could give a more learned opinion if he sees this post.

07-13-2003, 01:09 AM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Joseph, What a really nice looking rig. Thanks for posting such great jpeg photos !!! And please take Doubs' advice. Do not shoot such a nice collection piece. If you are tempted, get a $ 600-800 "shooter" luger to satisfy those shooting urges... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-13-2003, 03:13 AM	#11
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Gentlemen very much! It is the nicest most complete one I've ever seen, and it is an addictive piece. Although I have several p38s this is likely my first of many Lugers. Tough to find in Canada for me. Byf41 is quite a common one, correct?

07-13-2003, 11:41 AM	#13
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Hi TH. Thanks for the information, I really thought these were more common only because I've seen a few on the various forums before for sale. I have to do some serious educating on P08s. Very good question regarding the legalities of owning this in Canada. Anything with a barrel length of 4 inches or less IS considered prohibited in Canada, and cannot be sold to anyone other than someone else who has been "grandfathered", i.e., owned a pistol with a barrel length of 4 inches prior to 1997 ( I think that is the correct year). I was by fluke fortunate enough to have owned a short barreled handgun in that time, which gives me the special class 12:6 to own such firearms. A couple things though, a new collector or someone who has not owned such a firearm prior to 1997 cannot ever, never ever legally own such a gun, period. Can never apply for this licence. So the govt here is working on a slow total ban. When I die, this can only be sold to a person with the same grandfathered class licence, but as time goes on, fewer people will be eligible, until no one is left, and such firearms will have to be surrendered and likely destroyed. If any other Canadian members are here perhaps they could give their input too, just to make sure I'm correct with the facts. P.S.. the 8.81 stamped at the barrel's bottom, is this a calibre?? Sorry I am so uneducated on these. Thanks again, all!

07-13-2003, 11:51 AM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Josef, The 8,81 is the proofing measurement of your barrel's inside diameter in milimeters, from top of land to top of opposing land. The Germans used/use a comma instead of a decimal point, as we do here in the States... The accepted measurements are usually in the 8.81 to 8.84 range...(if I remember this correctly...). Too small a measurement would probably pose safety concerns. Too large a measurement might lead to bullet/target inaccuracies... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-13-2003, 12:25 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	John, I did the search and found the thread. The acceptable range that LF member, Frank, mentioned was 8,81 to 8.85. I stand corrected, since Mr. Big Guy forgets more about lugers than I will ever know...and he forgets very little... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> The LF member that was asking about his pistol with the 8,89 stamping did come back and say he looked at the gun more closely, again, and his was really stamped as 8,83... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-14-2003, 01:36 PM	#18
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Thanks guys, I appreciate your comments!! However, like most on the forum, I am still learning. AND I hope I never stop learning. It's what I strive to do!!

07-15-2003, 10:00 AM	#19
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Josef, Congratulations on that beautifull pistol! Definitively a keeper! You are right about the Grandfathering for Prohibited ( 12 ( 6 ) ) pistols in Canada. But those individuals like you & me can possess them & enjoy them! The actual reference date for the 12-6 Class was Feb 14 1995 BUT Senate has recently moves it to December 1st 1998 ( Date of the New Gun Law ) so individuals that had prohibited pistols ( 105mm & less, 25's, 32's & 380's ) until Dec 1st 98 WILL get their 12-6 Permit back and be allowed to possess prohibited pistols! I have a personnal friend in that situation. He was obliged to sell his 2 in .38 when the LAF ( Loi sur les Armes a Feu ) came in effect. He'll now be getting his 12-6 Class back!...He's already shopping for a 2 1/2 Stainless 357 The baddest aspect of this 1998 Gun Law is that they have classified the 4 inch Military Luger as a Prohibited pistol! To me it causes a big problem cause NO pistol can be imported in Canada and we have to live with what's available up here. I dont know about Collector supply running short?? but I have been looking for quite a while now for a 41-42 to add to my III Reich Category...needless to say without luck! Will I ever find that one in Canada?? Some available in the US! ( Import Prohibited! ) THIS part of the Gun Law is affecting ME! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> kidvett

07-15-2003, 10:25 AM	#20
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks for the response! I am definitely addicted now and will change the scope of my collecting. I do see Lugers around occasionally, but most are mismatched and in rough condition, still around the $600 plus range (Canadian $). Other than Marstar and CSMilitary I seldom see others for sale in Canada. The interest is high but demand is lower due to the prohibited classification I suppose. It is sad that no more will be imported here, but I think several every year do turn up as vet bringbacks. As long as the owners register them and obtain the 12:7 clause (I believe), these can be legally bought by those with 12:6 status after. So all is not lost totally, and prices do seem to be less here than in the US. Pleasee correct me if I am wrong here, I am basing this on my extremely limited knowledge of the Luger collecting field (had exclusively collected p38s before). Take care and thanks again!