Range report

capkid · 05-06-2001, 04:02 PM

Just took to luger to the range. Shot like a dream/ 1st shot-bull at 10yrds!

Two questions:

Mag-The mag I got was new(plastic base/follower).Before I shot it,it would hold the toggle open;now it doesn't.I also had to tap mag in (X2), for second shot.Do I need a new mag-do I have "problems"?Should I get a mec-gar mag (s/s)?

Markings-Had quite a crowd (indoor range);people asked to shoot!

One guy remarked at the factory marks (nazi eagles);he took offense (?). Said I shouldn't own something like that! Do/are they common on war lugers (sorry- I know they ground off jap markings)? What do you say to people, when they comment (most people said "cool"). I've had people look at me strange, when I bring out the FAL; never said "I shouldn't own it"!

Sorry; I'm very green. Felt good to be a "member"!

Once again, without all of your help; I would never fulfilled my dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again.

capkid

Rick K · 05-06-2001, 06:33 PM

What kind of Luger is it? I remember your posts talking about your anticipation, but I don't remember what you were getting. Are the eagles Nazi eagles or German eagles? I'm not sure what to think about someone telling you you shouldn't own it. Maybe he was Jewish. Someone like that may not be able to understand that our love of Lugers in no way means that we sympathize or agree in any way with Nazi philosophy or policies. Georg Luger certainly was not a Nazi and at the turn of the century, he, like everyone else could not have predicted what was to come in the 30's.

Frank · 05-06-2001, 07:09 PM

If I recall the Luger in question is a 41 byf. The Nazi Eagle Proof started with the 1939 Code 42, so it is a proper proof mark. I believe Rick K's explanation regarding the comments are what I would think. Regarding the magazine. Try firing one cartridge from the pistol at a time and note the hold open function. If the cartridge is not powerful enough the toggle action will not be forced back far enough to engage the hold open. If the magazine spring isn't strong enough it won't activate the hold open. If for some reason the follower button on the magazine does not contact the hold open it won't work either. If you remove the right side grip and insert an empty magazine you can observe the reaction between the follower button and the hold open lever. Then manually operate the toggle and see what the button contact does. Good Luck

Robert Wiggins · 05-06-2001, 07:18 PM

No mention was made of the ammo being used. If it's handloaded then there is the potential of a weak powder charge. I presume it was a factory round and there for you can reject my notation.

Regards;

capkid · 05-06-2001, 08:09 PM

Yes, I used factory ammo (s&b, I think).

I'll check on the clip (I've never had the gun apart!).

No, it was weird. First, the rangemaster; (?-real young guy) came over, and asked me if it was "real".Being proud, I began to talk to him about it. A few other shooters came over and it got passed around. I showed him the markings (eagle w/ wings+ circle under{w/o mag. glass-I assume it is the classic symbol w/swt?}). The rangermaster said he had never held one before, and wondered (out loud) how many people it had killed {I DON'T want to think about that!!!}.

The gent (older guy- w/ nice lever action-oct. barrel) in the next lane, began to talk about how people shouldn't have nazi items (being 1941-war production). "We" didn't pay too much attention; he started up saying about how many people were killed/etc.. I told him that I just got it, didn't know much about it. He didn't cause a scene, I just felt bad that my new toy would cause such a reaction.

Granted, some of the alure would be where it came f/. I wish it could talk!! I am more interested in the mech/design, then any political "ideas" behind it! After shooting it, all my other auto's "feel" strange?!

I don't know if this gent was touched by the war (best not to get into it with him), or what his "problem" was. Maybe he's seen too many war movies??

This was just a min. exchange of "ideals"-no big thing. I just felt bad (1st time out).

Just w/ my experiance recieving it (ffl dealer thought it was a "modern" firearm), I quess there is alot of ignorance out there; or the world has become too PC!

In the future, I'll keep the symbols to myself.

I was just wondering if any of you have been through something like this. You can't blame the gun-blame the people how made it!

60 yrs later-I quess we/some haven't moved on.

Anyway, it's now my favorite in my collection (close race w/ the FAL). I think I'll keep it!

Sorry to be so long,I knew you would understand.

thanks..

capkid

05-06-2001, 10:53 PM

Hi capkid,

A couple years ago we had a B-17 and a Henkle 111 from the Confederate Air Froce land at our airport. Since my primary interest in WWII is in the European air war, I had to go drool over these two historic aircraft.

As always, they had a "souvenir" shop set up next to the planes. One of the items was a beautiful black T shirt with the Henkle on the back. I had to have it.

Later I wore it out in public and was made to feel very uncomfortable by the stares of others. No one said anything to me but I was aware of the whispers going on behind my back. When I got home I examined the shirt more closely and found what I assumed was causing the stir. The Henkle had the swastika boldly displayed on the vertical stabilizer.

Since then it has been stored away in the bottom of my T shirt drawer.

BobL

PS I still love the shirt, just don't want to cause anyone discomfort.

Marvin · 05-07-2001, 06:35 AM

capkid,

Don't worry about what other people say about the stamps on your Luger. This is a mechanical piece of equipment which on it's own never did anything without help. As to the stamps having the Swastika, don't worry aout them either. This is a piece of history and WWII happened and there is nothing that can be done to change that fact.

People that want toi change history are doing this on a daily basis and it is wrong. the guy said there should be NO Nazi items available is like an ostrich hiding his head in the sand. The only way to keep from repeating the mistakes of the past is to know what happened in the past. Most people also only know about history what has been told to them from propoganda of an opposing force. I am a Southerner and many of my and my wifes forefathers fought for the Confederacy. The perverted opinions of the Confederacy and the Flag are being slandered on a daily basis. When a few in the minority can change the true history to read in their favor, we have all lost! The same holds true for firearms enthusiest, the lies and twisted tales about firearms are going to make us lose our historic and beloved Lugers. We must remember history and not forget it, just don't repeat the mistakes of the past. Don;t buy your head like that guy!

Marvin

Ted · 05-07-2001, 06:59 AM

My Dad fought against the NAZIs and hated that SWASTIKA, but it sure didnt stop him from picking up Lugers and P38s. He loved them! Ted

BILL · 05-07-2001, 05:34 PM

Just a thought on the 'Hollywood propaganda machine'..any of you who saw 'American Beauty' probably winced at the scene where the boy next door shows his girlfriend his father's ceramic tableware (with the swastika on the bottom). Somehow this reinforced the audience with the notion that the guy was a real sick-o and gave us all an insight into his twisted soul. As you all know, anyone who would deliberately own anything with a nazi symbol on it must be...blah, blah, blah..

ViggoG · 05-08-2001, 05:24 AM

capkid ;

I too am a WWII Veteran , My feelings for Herr Hitler

cannot be posted here or on any self respecting Forum

But my admiration for what is probably the most artistic

and functional combination achieved in steel , that fits the hand like a natural extension thereof cannot be well expressed in any one language and I am not fluent in this one so what the ---- ---- am I doing here ? nuf sed !!

ViggoG

ViggoG · 05-08-2001, 05:33 AM

Missed getin to my point

You have been bitten by the

GOOD BUG ! so;

Ignore the Bad Mouthers !

Tou Have The Gun That ALL

Little Guns Should Grow Up To Be Like !

ViggoG

Frank · 05-08-2001, 08:17 AM

05-06-2001, 04:02 PM	#1
capkid User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Antonio Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Range report Just took to luger to the range. Shot like a dream/ 1st shot-bull at 10yrds! Two questions: Mag-The mag I got was new(plastic base/follower).Before I shot it,it would hold the toggle open;now it doesn't.I also had to tap mag in (X2), for second shot.Do I need a new mag-do I have "problems"?Should I get a mec-gar mag (s/s)? Markings-Had quite a crowd (indoor range);people asked to shoot! One guy remarked at the factory marks (nazi eagles);he took offense (?). Said I shouldn't own something like that! Do/are they common on war lugers (sorry- I know they ground off jap markings)? What do you say to people, when they comment (most people said "cool"). I've had people look at me strange, when I bring out the FAL; never said "I shouldn't own it"! Sorry; I'm very green. Felt good to be a "member"! Once again, without all of your help; I would never fulfilled my dream!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again. capkid

05-06-2001, 06:33 PM	#2
Rick K User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cochran, GA Posts: 305 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Range report What kind of Luger is it? I remember your posts talking about your anticipation, but I don't remember what you were getting. Are the eagles Nazi eagles or German eagles? I'm not sure what to think about someone telling you you shouldn't own it. Maybe he was Jewish. Someone like that may not be able to understand that our love of Lugers in no way means that we sympathize or agree in any way with Nazi philosophy or policies. Georg Luger certainly was not a Nazi and at the turn of the century, he, like everyone else could not have predicted what was to come in the 30's.

05-06-2001, 07:09 PM	#3
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Range report If I recall the Luger in question is a 41 byf. The Nazi Eagle Proof started with the 1939 Code 42, so it is a proper proof mark. I believe Rick K's explanation regarding the comments are what I would think. Regarding the magazine. Try firing one cartridge from the pistol at a time and note the hold open function. If the cartridge is not powerful enough the toggle action will not be forced back far enough to engage the hold open. If the magazine spring isn't strong enough it won't activate the hold open. If for some reason the follower button on the magazine does not contact the hold open it won't work either. If you remove the right side grip and insert an empty magazine you can observe the reaction between the follower button and the hold open lever. Then manually operate the toggle and see what the button contact does. Good Luck

05-06-2001, 07:18 PM	#4
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Range report (factory ammo?) No mention was made of the ammo being used. If it's handloaded then there is the potential of a weak powder charge. I presume it was a factory round and there for you can reject my notation. Regards;

05-06-2001, 08:09 PM	#5
capkid User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Antonio Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Range report Yes, I used factory ammo (s&b, I think). I'll check on the clip (I've never had the gun apart!). No, it was weird. First, the rangemaster; (?-real young guy) came over, and asked me if it was "real".Being proud, I began to talk to him about it. A few other shooters came over and it got passed around. I showed him the markings (eagle w/ wings+ circle under{w/o mag. glass-I assume it is the classic symbol w/swt?}). The rangermaster said he had never held one before, and wondered (out loud) how many people it had killed {I DON'T want to think about that!!!}. The gent (older guy- w/ nice lever action-oct. barrel) in the next lane, began to talk about how people shouldn't have nazi items (being 1941-war production). "We" didn't pay too much attention; he started up saying about how many people were killed/etc.. I told him that I just got it, didn't know much about it. He didn't cause a scene, I just felt bad that my new toy would cause such a reaction. Granted, some of the alure would be where it came f/. I wish it could talk!! I am more interested in the mech/design, then any political "ideas" behind it! After shooting it, all my other auto's "feel" strange?! I don't know if this gent was touched by the war (best not to get into it with him), or what his "problem" was. Maybe he's seen too many war movies?? This was just a min. exchange of "ideals"-no big thing. I just felt bad (1st time out). Just w/ my experiance recieving it (ffl dealer thought it was a "modern" firearm), I quess there is alot of ignorance out there; or the world has become too PC! In the future, I'll keep the symbols to myself. I was just wondering if any of you have been through something like this. You can't blame the gun-blame the people how made it! 60 yrs later-I quess we/some haven't moved on. Anyway, it's now my favorite in my collection (close race w/ the FAL). I think I'll keep it! Sorry to be so long,I knew you would understand. thanks.. capkid

05-06-2001, 10:53 PM	#6
Robert E. Lipps Guest Posts: n/a	Reactions from others Hi capkid, A couple years ago we had a B-17 and a Henkle 111 from the Confederate Air Froce land at our airport. Since my primary interest in WWII is in the European air war, I had to go drool over these two historic aircraft. As always, they had a "souvenir" shop set up next to the planes. One of the items was a beautiful black T shirt with the Henkle on the back. I had to have it. Later I wore it out in public and was made to feel very uncomfortable by the stares of others. No one said anything to me but I was aware of the whispers going on behind my back. When I got home I examined the shirt more closely and found what I assumed was causing the stir. The Henkle had the swastika boldly displayed on the vertical stabilizer. Since then it has been stored away in the bottom of my T shirt drawer. BobL PS I still love the shirt, just don't want to cause anyone discomfort.

05-07-2001, 06:35 AM	#7
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Range report capkid, Don't worry about what other people say about the stamps on your Luger. This is a mechanical piece of equipment which on it's own never did anything without help. As to the stamps having the Swastika, don't worry aout them either. This is a piece of history and WWII happened and there is nothing that can be done to change that fact. People that want toi change history are doing this on a daily basis and it is wrong. the guy said there should be NO Nazi items available is like an ostrich hiding his head in the sand. The only way to keep from repeating the mistakes of the past is to know what happened in the past. Most people also only know about history what has been told to them from propoganda of an opposing force. I am a Southerner and many of my and my wifes forefathers fought for the Confederacy. The perverted opinions of the Confederacy and the Flag are being slandered on a daily basis. When a few in the minority can change the true history to read in their favor, we have all lost! The same holds true for firearms enthusiest, the lies and twisted tales about firearms are going to make us lose our historic and beloved Lugers. We must remember history and not forget it, just don't repeat the mistakes of the past. Don;t buy your head like that guy! Marvin

05-07-2001, 06:59 AM	#8
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Range report My Dad fought against the NAZIs and hated that SWASTIKA, but it sure didnt stop him from picking up Lugers and P38s. He loved them! Ted

05-07-2001, 05:34 PM	#9
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Range report Just a thought on the 'Hollywood propaganda machine'..any of you who saw 'American Beauty' probably winced at the scene where the boy next door shows his girlfriend his father's ceramic tableware (with the swastika on the bottom). Somehow this reinforced the audience with the notion that the guy was a real sick-o and gave us all an insight into his twisted soul. As you all know, anyone who would deliberately own anything with a nazi symbol on it must be...blah, blah, blah..

05-08-2001, 05:24 AM	#10
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Range report capkid ; I too am a WWII Veteran , My feelings for Herr Hitler cannot be posted here or on any self respecting Forum But my admiration for what is probably the most artistic and functional combination achieved in steel , that fits the hand like a natural extension thereof cannot be well expressed in any one language and I am not fluent in this one so what the ---- ---- am I doing here ? nuf sed !! ViggoG

05-08-2001, 05:33 AM	#11
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Range report Missed getin to my point You have been bitten by the GOOD BUG ! so; Ignore the Bad Mouthers ! Tou Have The Gun That ALL Little Guns Should Grow Up To Be Like ! ViggoG

05-08-2001, 08:17 AM	#12
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Well Said !!! (EOM)