Crown/RC Proof...?

Pete Ebbink · 09-17-2002, 11:18 AM

Have seen an Erfurt luger with a small Crown/RC stamped on the barrel, right above/next to the Erfurt proof mark...

Is this the typical place for this Crown/RC stamp ?

Gun looked to have both a modified relieved sear bar and the hold-open feature added...

Thanks in advance for your help...

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Doubs · 09-17-2002, 12:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Wm. Pete Ebbink:
<strong>Have seen an Erfurt luger with a small Crown/RC stamped on the barrel, right above/next to the Erfurt proof mark... Is this the typical place for this Crown/RC stamp ?
Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Pete, the C/RC can be found almost anywhere on the pistols. I've seen it on the left side of the barrel in the rear, above the first inspection mark on the right side of the receiver, on the toggles and on the front of the frame. I'm sure I've seen it in other locations as well but don't recall exactly where. IMO, the C/RC is found on the part that failed to pass inspection first time around but was found to function properly in spite of whatever was wrong and was acceptable to the Revisions Commission.

MauserLugers · 09-17-2002, 01:09 PM

Hi Pete,
You are asking a somewhat "trick" question in my opinion. When talking about Erfurts, which are not my strongest suite, you have to specify the DATE, as each year things like the Crown R/C are found differently and more or less abundantly. The later models like 1917 and 1918 the answer to your question would probably be Yes, and the earlier years like 1911 and 1912 the answer is probably no. (Typical being the key word in your question).

Pete Ebbink · 09-17-2002, 04:31 PM

Hello Bill,

It was a 1914 Erfurt; the one I saw in Switz City last week on my business trip.

It has not been modified to be an Erfurt/police luger; just a 1914 military Erfurt...

Thanks for your time !

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Jan C Still · 09-17-2002, 05:49 PM

Dwight Gruber · 09-18-2002, 02:05 AM

Crown/RC stamp on the trigger guard of 1914 Erfurt LP08.

--Dwight

Johnny Peppers · 09-18-2002, 10:51 AM

I don't know if the discussion relates only to the Erfurts , but I have a 1916 DWM P08 with the C/RC on the frame. Will be glad to furnish full information if DWM data wanted.

Dwight Gruber · 09-18-2002, 09:34 PM

Jan Still, please check your private messages.

--Dwight

Doug G. · 09-18-2002, 11:49 PM

My 1914 Erfurt artillery is C/RC proofed on the front trigger guard. The 1918 Erfurt that Ted refinished is C/RC marked on the front of the frame and rear and middle toggle link.

Hugh · 09-19-2002, 02:14 PM

I have two Erfurts with the C/RC marks, both 1918. One is numbered 2579g and is marked on the front of the trigger guard, right side of the receiver, and the left side of the bbl. The second one is number 5826r and is marked on the front of the trigger guard, right side of the receiver, and top of the middle and rear toggle links. This gun was rebarreled and proofed in 1965 by the Ulm proofhouse as evidenced by the 65 "antler" on the bbl and the E/N proof on the bbl, left side of the receiver, front and middle toggle links and left frame flat.

I noticed that both of these guns have an additional two digit number not related to the serial number stamped on the inside of the sideplate projection that goes under the takedown lever, with a matching number on the frame just above & to the right of the trigger. Is this common to all Erfurts? Or does it possibly have something to do with the C/RC mark? [img]confused.gif[/img]

Dwight Gruber · 09-20-2002, 02:32 AM

Hugh, my C/RC Erfurt does not have the numbers.

--Dwight

Jan C Still · 09-25-2002, 01:03 PM

kidvett · 09-25-2002, 03:00 PM

On that C/RC proof, based on the few ERFURTS I own:

1912: C/RC on front of trigger guard, like Dwight's pictured pistol.

1916: C/RC right side of receiver on top of last ( to the rear ) proof.

1913: No C/RC proof

If this can be of any help....

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

Pete Ebbink · 10-01-2002, 11:13 AM

Hello Jan,

Sorry...I think I got my trip notes mixed up a bit. I jotted down notes on 3x5 cards and then entered them into my PC and got a couple of guns mixed up.

I visited nearly 14 gun shops over a 2 day period in IL and IN...

It was not the Switz City gun; it was a 1913/1920 Erfurt, with police modifications...

Again, my apologies for leading you astray...

Regards,

Pete...
<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-17-2002, 11:18 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Crown/RC Proof...? Have seen an Erfurt luger with a small Crown/RC stamped on the barrel, right above/next to the Erfurt proof mark... Is this the typical place for this Crown/RC stamp ? Gun looked to have both a modified relieved sear bar and the hold-open feature added... Thanks in advance for your help... Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-18-2002, 11:49 PM	#9
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	My 1914 Erfurt artillery is C/RC proofed on the front trigger guard. The 1918 Erfurt that Ted refinished is C/RC marked on the front of the frame and rear and middle toggle link. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

09-19-2002, 02:14 PM	#10
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I have two Erfurts with the C/RC marks, both 1918. One is numbered 2579g and is marked on the front of the trigger guard, right side of the receiver, and the left side of the bbl. The second one is number 5826r and is marked on the front of the trigger guard, right side of the receiver, and top of the middle and rear toggle links. This gun was rebarreled and proofed in 1965 by the Ulm proofhouse as evidenced by the 65 "antler" on the bbl and the E/N proof on the bbl, left side of the receiver, front and middle toggle links and left frame flat. I noticed that both of these guns have an additional two digit number not related to the serial number stamped on the inside of the sideplate projection that goes under the takedown lever, with a matching number on the frame just above & to the right of the trigger. Is this common to all Erfurts? Or does it possibly have something to do with the C/RC mark? [img]confused.gif[/img] __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

09-17-2002, 12:29 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,674 Thanks: 773 Thanked 1,622 Times in 529 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Wm. Pete Ebbink: <strong>Have seen an Erfurt luger with a small Crown/RC stamped on the barrel, right above/next to the Erfurt proof mark... Is this the typical place for this Crown/RC stamp ? Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote> Pete, the C/RC can be found almost anywhere on the pistols. I've seen it on the left side of the barrel in the rear, above the first inspection mark on the right side of the receiver, on the toggles and on the front of the frame. I'm sure I've seen it in other locations as well but don't recall exactly where. IMO, the C/RC is found on the part that failed to pass inspection first time around but was found to function properly in spite of whatever was wrong and was acceptable to the Revisions Commission.

09-17-2002, 01:09 PM	#3
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi Pete, You are asking a somewhat "trick" question in my opinion. When talking about Erfurts, which are not my strongest suite, you have to specify the DATE, as each year things like the Crown R/C are found differently and more or less abundantly. The later models like 1917 and 1918 the answer to your question would probably be Yes, and the earlier years like 1911 and 1912 the answer is probably no. (Typical being the key word in your question).

09-17-2002, 04:31 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Bill, It was a 1914 Erfurt; the one I saw in Switz City last week on my business trip. It has not been modified to be an Erfurt/police luger; just a 1914 military Erfurt... Thanks for your time ! Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-17-2002, 05:49 PM	#5
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts

09-18-2002, 02:05 AM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Crown/RC stamp on the trigger guard of 1914 Erfurt LP08. --Dwight

09-18-2002, 10:51 AM	#7
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't know if the discussion relates only to the Erfurts , but I have a 1916 DWM P08 with the C/RC on the frame. Will be glad to furnish full information if DWM data wanted.

09-18-2002, 09:34 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Jan Still, please check your private messages. --Dwight

09-20-2002, 02:32 AM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Hugh, my C/RC Erfurt does not have the numbers. --Dwight

09-25-2002, 01:03 PM	#12
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts

09-25-2002, 03:00 PM	#13
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	On that C/RC proof, based on the few ERFURTS I own: 1912: C/RC on front of trigger guard, like Dwight's pictured pistol. 1916: C/RC right side of receiver on top of last ( to the rear ) proof. 1913: No C/RC proof If this can be of any help.... kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

10-01-2002, 11:13 AM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Jan, Sorry...I think I got my trip notes mixed up a bit. I jotted down notes on 3x5 cards and then entered them into my PC and got a couple of guns mixed up. I visited nearly 14 gun shops over a 2 day period in IL and IN... It was not the Switz City gun; it was a 1913/1920 Erfurt, with police modifications... Again, my apologies for leading you astray... Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />