Another nice pair................

JohnF · 03-14-2003, 10:43 AM

Seeing that beautiful pair of Colts inspired me to post a couple of other non-Luger items from my collection. these are two unit marked Reichsrevolvers, the Luger's predecessor.

EBT fixed

JohnF · 03-14-2003, 10:50 AM

Ooops, I messed up the image display syntax. Could an administrator fix that for me please? I can't find modify as a posting option.

Pete Ebbink · 03-14-2003, 11:01 AM

Hello John F.

You can self edit/correct your posting by clicking on the little icon of the piece of paper & pencil...

Regards,

Pete...

JohnF · 03-14-2003, 12:17 PM

Thanks Pete - I missed that

kidvett · 03-14-2003, 12:50 PM

Hello John,

Can you give us a description of both....I especially like the big one!

kidvett

JohnF · 03-14-2003, 01:46 PM

Glad to oblige:

1) Model 1879 Trooper's Model made by Dreyse and undated. Unit marked I.M.1.G.29

2) Model 1883 Officer's Model made at the Erfurt Arsenal and dated 1893. Unit marked 13.A.3.143.

They are both in the German 10.55mm calibre. trooper's model and officer's model are collector designations and weren't used by the German Army.

Sorry for the lousy photo, my camera was having an off day. The big one - trooper's model - is my favourite too. I'm fairly sure that it saw service in WW1 as it's in a 1913 dated holster.
Regards,
John

kidvett · 03-14-2003, 04:51 PM

Hi John,

10.55mm German...hum....similar to a 45 cal....big bore....

Any idea why the Germans went to a smaller caliber like 9mm?? Or it was the change fron a wheelgun to a pistol??

kidvett

Edward Tinker · 03-14-2003, 05:05 PM

During that time frame, the faster velocity appealed to the people, it was felt that the faster velocity was more deadly and the larger and heavy recoil for the troops for controling the revolver, so with both reasons, they felt a smaller bullet was better.

Ed

kidvett · 03-14-2003, 05:12 PM

Hi Ed,

Like the LAGARDE THOMPSON tests proved??? Or did they really proved something??

kidvett

Edward Tinker · 03-14-2003, 10:04 PM

I think they were wrong, the Thompson tests wouldn't be allowed today, would they

. I just know that many gov'ts thought the fast moving and smaller cartridges were the way to go. Plus, the "pistol" was new and the way to advance your force.

When the 45 Single Actions were taken away in the Philippians, and replaced by 38's, well those soldiers were a bit upset.

I like the larger calibers, that is for sure if I have to have one for defense, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

kidvett · 03-15-2003, 08:56 AM

Hi Ed,

I do agree that their conclusions were wrong. Like you said the pistol was a giant leap forward...

Was was true then & still is is that BIGGER IS BETTER....

I prefer Big Bores for defense ( 357 Mag & up...)and also for other tasks....my favorite all around hunting rifle is a 458 Mag...

kidvett

karmast · 03-15-2003, 12:45 PM

@JohnF: Congratulations, especially to the M79!!

John -Melb · 03-16-2003, 04:14 AM

JohnF.
Reaally nice photos, one question, why didn't you take a picture from the other side to show the safety catches?
Your probably right about the big brother having WW1 service, I understand that the Reichscomission M79 saw service with lines of communication troops, as well as being widely issued in the various German colonies, such as German East Africa. I remember reading somewhere that during the 1890's German officers were permitted to purchase double action versions of the M83. That would be a find.
I have always admired the M79 and would love to own one, unfortunately the way things are going in this armpit of the world that just ain't gunna happen.

merc · 03-16-2003, 06:01 AM

As I posted in an earlier thread-I like all C&R's
These 2 pistols you have are awesome.
congrats JohnF

03-14-2003, 10:43 AM	#1
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Another nice pair................ Seeing that beautiful pair of Colts inspired me to post a couple of other non-Luger items from my collection. these are two unit marked Reichsrevolvers, the Luger's predecessor. EBT fixed

03-14-2003, 05:05 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	During that time frame, the faster velocity appealed to the people, it was felt that the faster velocity was more deadly and the larger and heavy recoil for the troops for controling the revolver, so with both reasons, they felt a smaller bullet was better. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-14-2003, 10:04 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	I think they were wrong, the Thompson tests wouldn't be allowed today, would they . I just know that many gov'ts thought the fast moving and smaller cartridges were the way to go. Plus, the "pistol" was new and the way to advance your force. When the 45 Single Actions were taken away in the Philippians, and replaced by 38's, well those soldiers were a bit upset. I like the larger calibers, that is for sure if I have to have one for defense, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-15-2003, 12:45 PM	#12
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	@JohnF: Congratulations, especially to the M79!! __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

03-16-2003, 06:01 AM	#14
merc User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NH Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	As I posted in an earlier thread-I like all C&R's These 2 pistols you have are awesome. congrats JohnF __________________ Merc Living without liberty is not living

03-14-2003, 10:50 AM	#2
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ooops, I messed up the image display syntax. Could an administrator fix that for me please? I can't find modify as a posting option.

03-14-2003, 11:01 AM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello John F. You can self edit/correct your posting by clicking on the little icon of the piece of paper & pencil... Regards, Pete...

03-14-2003, 12:17 PM	#4
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Pete - I missed that

03-14-2003, 12:50 PM	#5
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello John, Can you give us a description of both....I especially like the big one! kidvett

03-14-2003, 01:46 PM	#6
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Glad to oblige: 1) Model 1879 Trooper's Model made by Dreyse and undated. Unit marked I.M.1.G.29 2) Model 1883 Officer's Model made at the Erfurt Arsenal and dated 1893. Unit marked 13.A.3.143. They are both in the German 10.55mm calibre. trooper's model and officer's model are collector designations and weren't used by the German Army. Sorry for the lousy photo, my camera was having an off day. The big one - trooper's model - is my favourite too. I'm fairly sure that it saw service in WW1 as it's in a 1913 dated holster. Regards, John

03-14-2003, 04:51 PM	#7
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi John, 10.55mm German...hum....similar to a 45 cal....big bore.... Any idea why the Germans went to a smaller caliber like 9mm?? Or it was the change fron a wheelgun to a pistol?? kidvett

03-14-2003, 05:12 PM	#9
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Ed, Like the LAGARDE THOMPSON tests proved??? Or did they really proved something?? kidvett

03-15-2003, 08:56 AM	#11
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Ed, I do agree that their conclusions were wrong. Like you said the pistol was a giant leap forward... Was was true then & still is is that BIGGER IS BETTER.... I prefer Big Bores for defense ( 357 Mag & up...)and also for other tasks....my favorite all around hunting rifle is a 458 Mag... kidvett

03-16-2003, 04:14 AM	#13
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	JohnF. Reaally nice photos, one question, why didn't you take a picture from the other side to show the safety catches? Your probably right about the big brother having WW1 service, I understand that the Reichscomission M79 saw service with lines of communication troops, as well as being widely issued in the various German colonies, such as German East Africa. I remember reading somewhere that during the 1890's German officers were permitted to purchase double action versions of the M83. That would be a find. I have always admired the M79 and would love to own one, unfortunately the way things are going in this armpit of the world that just ain't gunna happen.