Value of 1916 holster/stock set?

Monkeyman · 10-30-2004, 10:55 AM

I've been offered a black 1916 artillery Luger stock/holster set for US$250. Is this a good price? What should I look for to make sure it is original? It is in VERY good condition, doesn't look as old and used as it should and marked Wiedermann, Berlin.N.39, 1916. Thanks for any thoughts.

Russ · 10-30-2004, 10:59 AM

At 250.00 it has got to be bad. Or a smokein deal. Smell the lether. If it smells new and like dye it is new.

Russ

Monkeyman · 10-30-2004, 11:12 AM

Thanks russ.

I was high bidder on

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6179772

but did not meet the reserve. I have been invited to haggle. Is this a reproduction? It looks new enough to be but I didn't expect repros to be stamped like originals - that would make them forgeries, not repros!

Russ · 10-30-2004, 11:22 AM

Yes it is a REPRO. I do not know what the law is in the Caribbean, But if you atach that to a luger in the USA it is a felony. 10 years with BuBu
Russ

tracyp · 10-30-2004, 11:28 AM

Monkeyman,

It's a reproduction. I'm sure the seller knows this. Yes, repro are stam like the original - not always correctly stamped.

Monkeyman · 10-30-2004, 11:30 AM

Thanks Russ. No such law down here, all guns are registered and they are all legally equivalent.

Are there cheaper repros about? I'm not a Luger collector, just smallarms from both World Wars. I already have a pair of DWM 1917 Lugers, one officer and one artillery. I have a shoulder stock for my Webley Mk6 and though the Arty would display well in similar dress. What would an original holster set cost in fair condition?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Russ · 10-30-2004, 11:38 AM

A real Stock and holster in fair condition will start out at 800.00++

Russ

George Anderson · 10-30-2004, 04:08 PM

Mr Monkeyman, that particular repro is probably the worst one available anywhere outside of Bangladesh. I believe it comes from Sarco and they have been struggling over the last ten years to empty their inventory.

A real one will cost over a grand. I believe a good repro can be had from a British vendor on gunsamerica.com

Pete Ebbink · 10-30-2004, 06:22 PM

Hi Greg,

Here is a repro LP-08 holster rig, straps, and wooden stock I would be happy to sell to you for $ 115.00 USD...that would include shipping to your Islands home. It comes with a repro cleaning rod, too, but no take-down tool.

It does not smell like goat...

Email me at "pebbink@pacbell.net" if you are interested.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

George Anderson · 10-30-2004, 10:09 PM

Greg, Pete's offer is very generous. I advise that you take advantage of it.

By the way, where in the Caribe' are you?

Monkeyman · 10-31-2004, 07:44 AM

Thanks Pete, e-mail sent.

George, I'm in Barbados, "Gem of the Caribbean Sea' if you believe the tourist brochures.

Discovered in 1494, settled in 1627, 3rd oldest democratic parliament in 1639, the capital was the largest city in the New World until about 1800.

Lotsa gun freaks down here, very healthy pistol shooting clubs. Not much room for collectors, each gun has to be licensed and renewed annually.

Big Norm · 11-02-2004, 02:50 AM

Monkeyman,
real artillery holsters with all the straps and a stock cup are a very hard find. Some dates are nearly impossible to find since many collectors try to match the chamber dates on the artillery to the manufactures dates on the holster. Because of their scarcity, it is difficult to give a price. I recently bought a very nice 1914 dated artillery holster with a matching magazine pouch for over two grand. There were no straps or stock cup. Real artillery holsters alone will start at about $400 and go up from there. Median prices will be about $650. Rare dates such as a 1914 or 1918 will command a premium.

I memory serves me right, Sarco even offered to stamp a manufactures stamp of some sort along with a date at one time. I don't know if the manufacturers name was real or made up.

I once bought a shooter artillery for $850 and the seller threw in a repro stock and holster just to get rid of it.
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 11-17-2004, 11:43 AM

Hi Greg,

Your repro rig is on its way to your Florida address...should be there on Wednesday...your friend can receive until you return from Barbados.

Thanks again !

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Monkeyman · 11-17-2004, 12:01 PM

Thanks Pete. Now I need a Broomhandle Mauser and Browning High Power with shoulder holsters to complete my 'military pistol-carbine' set. That's the problem with collecting, the thrill of the chase and aquisition is soon replaced with the 'after-hunt adrenalin let-down'. Hoping to pick up a 'Red 9' Mauser in a UK auction soon, High Power will need to wait a while to find me.

Jerry.B · 11-19-2004, 03:14 PM

I have a 9mm Luger from WWI-Wiemar era (double stamped 1915/1920). It has a lug on the back of the grip frame for a stock. Does that mean that ANY of these stocks that are around (repro or otherwise) will fit? (Yeh, I'm aware it'd have to be leagalized via BATF et al.)

Thanks

Jerry

John Sabato · 11-19-2004, 03:34 PM

Jerry, you are correct that the stock lug on the grip of your Weimar era Luger is "standard" and that any of the reproduction or original stocks will fit... but Yeh... don't jeopardize your legal status... it ain't worth it...

$200.00 NFA tax and registration application to creat a short barreled rifle (SBR)is the ONLY way to go...

10-30-2004, 10:55 AM	#1
Monkeyman User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Caribbean Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Value of 1916 holster/stock set? I've been offered a black 1916 artillery Luger stock/holster set for US$250. Is this a good price? What should I look for to make sure it is original? It is in VERY good condition, doesn't look as old and used as it should and marked Wiedermann, Berlin.N.39, 1916. Thanks for any thoughts.

10-30-2004, 10:59 AM	#2
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	At 250.00 it has got to be bad. Or a smokein deal. Smell the lether. If it smells new and like dye it is new. Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

10-30-2004, 11:22 AM	#4
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Yes it is a REPRO. I do not know what the law is in the Caribbean, But if you atach that to a luger in the USA it is a felony. 10 years with BuBu Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

10-30-2004, 11:38 AM	#7
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	A real Stock and holster in fair condition will start out at 800.00++ Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

11-19-2004, 03:14 PM	#15
Jerry.B User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a 9mm Luger from WWI-Wiemar era (double stamped 1915/1920). It has a lug on the back of the grip frame for a stock. Does that mean that ANY of these stocks that are around (repro or otherwise) will fit? (Yeh, I'm aware it'd have to be leagalized via BATF et al.) Thanks Jerry __________________ JerryB, Arizona, USA

10-30-2004, 11:12 AM	#3
Monkeyman User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Caribbean Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks russ. I was high bidder on http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6179772 but did not meet the reserve. I have been invited to haggle. Is this a reproduction? It looks new enough to be but I didn't expect repros to be stamped like originals - that would make them forgeries, not repros!

10-30-2004, 11:28 AM	#5
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Monkeyman, It's a reproduction. I'm sure the seller knows this. Yes, repro are stam like the original - not always correctly stamped.

10-30-2004, 11:30 AM	#6
Monkeyman User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Caribbean Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Russ. No such law down here, all guns are registered and they are all legally equivalent. Are there cheaper repros about? I'm not a Luger collector, just smallarms from both World Wars. I already have a pair of DWM 1917 Lugers, one officer and one artillery. I have a shoulder stock for my Webley Mk6 and though the Arty would display well in similar dress. What would an original holster set cost in fair condition? Thanks for any thoughts.

10-30-2004, 04:08 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Mr Monkeyman, that particular repro is probably the worst one available anywhere outside of Bangladesh. I believe it comes from Sarco and they have been struggling over the last ten years to empty their inventory. A real one will cost over a grand. I believe a good repro can be had from a British vendor on gunsamerica.com

10-30-2004, 06:22 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Greg, Here is a repro LP-08 holster rig, straps, and wooden stock I would be happy to sell to you for $ 115.00 USD...that would include shipping to your Islands home. It comes with a repro cleaning rod, too, but no take-down tool. It does not smell like goat... Email me at "pebbink@pacbell.net" if you are interested. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

10-30-2004, 10:09 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Greg, Pete's offer is very generous. I advise that you take advantage of it. By the way, where in the Caribe' are you?

10-31-2004, 07:44 AM	#11
Monkeyman User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Caribbean Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Pete, e-mail sent. George, I'm in Barbados, "Gem of the Caribbean Sea' if you believe the tourist brochures. Discovered in 1494, settled in 1627, 3rd oldest democratic parliament in 1639, the capital was the largest city in the New World until about 1800. Lotsa gun freaks down here, very healthy pistol shooting clubs. Not much room for collectors, each gun has to be licensed and renewed annually.

11-02-2004, 02:50 AM	#12
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Monkeyman, real artillery holsters with all the straps and a stock cup are a very hard find. Some dates are nearly impossible to find since many collectors try to match the chamber dates on the artillery to the manufactures dates on the holster. Because of their scarcity, it is difficult to give a price. I recently bought a very nice 1914 dated artillery holster with a matching magazine pouch for over two grand. There were no straps or stock cup. Real artillery holsters alone will start at about $400 and go up from there. Median prices will be about $650. Rare dates such as a 1914 or 1918 will command a premium. I memory serves me right, Sarco even offered to stamp a manufactures stamp of some sort along with a date at one time. I don't know if the manufacturers name was real or made up. I once bought a shooter artillery for $850 and the seller threw in a repro stock and holster just to get rid of it. Big Norm

11-17-2004, 11:43 AM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Greg, Your repro rig is on its way to your Florida address...should be there on Wednesday...your friend can receive until you return from Barbados. Thanks again ! Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-17-2004, 12:01 PM	#14
Monkeyman User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Caribbean Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Pete. Now I need a Broomhandle Mauser and Browning High Power with shoulder holsters to complete my 'military pistol-carbine' set. That's the problem with collecting, the thrill of the chase and aquisition is soon replaced with the 'after-hunt adrenalin let-down'. Hoping to pick up a 'Red 9' Mauser in a UK auction soon, High Power will need to wait a while to find me.

11-19-2004, 03:34 PM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Jerry, you are correct that the stock lug on the grip of your Weimar era Luger is "standard" and that any of the reproduction or original stocks will fit... but Yeh... don't jeopardize your legal status... it ain't worth it... $200.00 NFA tax and registration application to creat a short barreled rifle (SBR)is the ONLY way to go... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*