1916 DWM (germany) Artillery w/photos

Ballistic · 01-30-2004, 12:47 PM

I am back with I hope photos that you all can peruse.
SN of above pistol is 2622 letter 'a' stamped under sn on bottom of bbl and front of frame, sn also on left side of frame and below it is stamped germany. There is the numbers 8.82 also stamped below the a on the bbl. Last #'s of sn22, is stamped twice on top of toggle action, once on back of action, three times on sight, twice on left side of slide / safety bar once on disassembly lever. 22 also stamped on back of each grip.
Proof mark on right side of barrel, to the right of the three crowns and once on side of toggle action. The three crowns have letters under them the last two look like and s and the first a G??
GESICHERT above safety lever.
Mag not matching. A 2 then 712 then two parallel lines stamped (stacked) on top on one another. Mag in excellent condition.
Front sight is adjustable with three lines to line up. Front of barrell and high side of frame is worn due to holster rub.
the pistol is in overall excellent condition with bright bore and evident rifle grooves. The grips are in excellent shape with sharp checkering and not oil soaked.
The holster is in excellent condition with cleaning rod in side holder. A tool is also in its own leather pouch on inside of flap. The tool has a crown with the letter 's'?? under it. Top of leather flap with brass knob has the letters 'WAIZ'stamped, inside of flap is stamed 1915 AMURY & CO and OFFENBACHAM this is also stamped on the leather pouch that holds the bottom of the stock. BAXIV is also stamped on inside flap. All of the straps are with the holster overall all in fine condition with no rot. the stock in non matching it has sn 5136 with the letter 'e'?? under it. the pistol is in superb working order, very clean.
Photos should be found along with this description.
I would appreciate the help in knowing it's value and authenticity.
Thank you
Mike Molinari
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lugerholsterrepair · 01-30-2004, 01:18 PM

Mike, You have an example of what most of our members would dearly love to find. From what I could see it certainly looks authentic in every respect. The holster is undamaged and seems to be in great shape.

I would say that the pistol inserted into the holster is incorrect. The strap shown over the top of the pistol is the lifting strap and is used to lift the pistol so it can be easily grasped by the user. This strap should go under the pistol as it is inserted into the holster.

Also the nickle buckles found on the back of the stock on the straps are not proper and should be removed. I could not see from the photo's if you are missing the steel attaching studs that hold and adjust the straps but that might be why someone attached these buckles.

Depending on some things that I cannot see but might be there and interest me and a closer inspection as to actual condition, I would place a value somewhere between $3500 and $4500 for this very nice complete Artillery rig. Congratulations if you are the owner! Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 01-30-2004, 01:19 PM

I will let the artillery collectors comment on value Mike...

But I wanted you to know that the small strap tha pierces the front of the holster is what is called a "lifting" strap. The muzzle goes over it as the pistol is inserted in the holster.

When the weapon is seated in the holster it is hard to remove... the purpose of this strap is to raise the grip high enough to lift the pistol out of the holster. This is done by pulling on the sewn end that sticks out of the front of the holster and as the strap gets tighter inside the pistol is lifted to an appropriate position to be withdrawn.

Hope this has been helpful...

NICE looking Artillery Mike... too bad the holster/stock isn't numbered to the gun, but it sure is in good shape too...

Where ever Pistol # 5136e is now, I am sure it feels pretty naked without it!

John Sabato · 01-30-2004, 01:22 PM

hmmmm, Looks like my buddy Jerry Burney and I were speed typing a reply to you and he beat me to the "add reply" button by one minute

Ballistic · 01-30-2004, 02:14 PM

Thanks everyone! If you could see and hold this in your hand you will surely be impressed. What a piece of art.

You know guys I was wondering about that strap over the frame. I said to my friend what a pain in the a-- this is to get the pistol out of the holster with this strap over the end, and continued to say that I was suprised that the Germans designed something like this.
Sooooo thanks for explaining to me how it really works.
I'm new in the Luger scene and have a lot of learning to catch up on.
Next week I will post photos on the 1917 ERFURT and again ask for your thoughts.
And also on a 1902 Carbine DWM (germany)with matching numbers and stock 11 3/4" bbl.
Thank you,
Mike

01-30-2004, 12:47 PM	#1
Ballistic User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New York Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1916 DWM (germany) Artillery w/photos I am back with I hope photos that you all can peruse. SN of above pistol is 2622 letter 'a' stamped under sn on bottom of bbl and front of frame, sn also on left side of frame and below it is stamped germany. There is the numbers 8.82 also stamped below the a on the bbl. Last #'s of sn22, is stamped twice on top of toggle action, once on back of action, three times on sight, twice on left side of slide / safety bar once on disassembly lever. 22 also stamped on back of each grip. Proof mark on right side of barrel, to the right of the three crowns and once on side of toggle action. The three crowns have letters under them the last two look like and s and the first a G?? GESICHERT above safety lever. Mag not matching. A 2 then 712 then two parallel lines stamped (stacked) on top on one another. Mag in excellent condition. Front sight is adjustable with three lines to line up. Front of barrell and high side of frame is worn due to holster rub. the pistol is in overall excellent condition with bright bore and evident rifle grooves. The grips are in excellent shape with sharp checkering and not oil soaked. The holster is in excellent condition with cleaning rod in side holder. A tool is also in its own leather pouch on inside of flap. The tool has a crown with the letter 's'?? under it. Top of leather flap with brass knob has the letters 'WAIZ'stamped, inside of flap is stamed 1915 AMURY & CO and OFFENBACHAM this is also stamped on the leather pouch that holds the bottom of the stock. BAXIV is also stamped on inside flap. All of the straps are with the holster overall all in fine condition with no rot. the stock in non matching it has sn 5136 with the letter 'e'?? under it. the pistol is in superb working order, very clean. Photos should be found along with this description. I would appreciate the help in knowing it's value and authenticity. Thank you Mike Molinari http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0098.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0070.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0071.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0072.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0073.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0074.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0076.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0077.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0080.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0097.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0079.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...f_imgp0078.jpg

01-30-2004, 01:18 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,774 Thanks: 4,953 Thanked 3,126 Times in 1,435 Posts	Mike, You have an example of what most of our members would dearly love to find. From what I could see it certainly looks authentic in every respect. The holster is undamaged and seems to be in great shape. I would say that the pistol inserted into the holster is incorrect. The strap shown over the top of the pistol is the lifting strap and is used to lift the pistol so it can be easily grasped by the user. This strap should go under the pistol as it is inserted into the holster. Also the nickle buckles found on the back of the stock on the straps are not proper and should be removed. I could not see from the photo's if you are missing the steel attaching studs that hold and adjust the straps but that might be why someone attached these buckles. Depending on some things that I cannot see but might be there and interest me and a closer inspection as to actual condition, I would place a value somewhere between $3500 and $4500 for this very nice complete Artillery rig. Congratulations if you are the owner! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-30-2004, 01:19 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I will let the artillery collectors comment on value Mike... But I wanted you to know that the small strap tha pierces the front of the holster is what is called a "lifting" strap. The muzzle goes over it as the pistol is inserted in the holster. When the weapon is seated in the holster it is hard to remove... the purpose of this strap is to raise the grip high enough to lift the pistol out of the holster. This is done by pulling on the sewn end that sticks out of the front of the holster and as the strap gets tighter inside the pistol is lifted to an appropriate position to be withdrawn. Hope this has been helpful... NICE looking Artillery Mike... too bad the holster/stock isn't numbered to the gun, but it sure is in good shape too... Where ever Pistol # 5136e is now, I am sure it feels pretty naked without it! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-30-2004, 01:22 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	hmmmm, Looks like my buddy Jerry Burney and I were speed typing a reply to you and he beat me to the "add reply" button by one minute __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-30-2004, 02:14 PM	#5
Ballistic User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New York Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks everyone! If you could see and hold this in your hand you will surely be impressed. What a piece of art. You know guys I was wondering about that strap over the frame. I said to my friend what a pain in the a-- this is to get the pistol out of the holster with this strap over the end, and continued to say that I was suprised that the Germans designed something like this. Sooooo thanks for explaining to me how it really works. I'm new in the Luger scene and have a lot of learning to catch up on. Next week I will post photos on the 1917 ERFURT and again ask for your thoughts. And also on a 1902 Carbine DWM (germany)with matching numbers and stock 11 3/4" bbl. Thank you, Mike