Luger wear

Roadkill · 12-10-2002, 04:36 PM

I'm adding this here cause I'm referring to a 1918 Erfurt, but it applies to all shooters. Where the toggle strikes the frame to unlock is showing wear. If this has been discussed before I missed it, but using the guidelines of "none, noticeable, minor, appreciable, significant, major, and flattened out", mine would be in the "significant" area but only on one side. Starting to flatten a little. Toggle and frame match, any suggestions to keep this from worsening except for quit shooting (God forbid) it?

thanks

rk

John Sabato · 12-10-2002, 05:01 PM

IT is going to wear RK... remember that 1918 was a LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time ago and the piece has seen a few rounds put through it.

The fact that the wear is one sided indicates that it touches that side first so the toggle unlocks before it smacks the other side real hard. This may be the result of the gun being refinished at some point and the ramp on the non-wear side may have received a bit more polishing than the other.

You could minimize the wear by using reduced loads and tuning the mainspring (recoil spring) for function, but unless the gun cost you a fortune there is really no remedy... just like you and I, this gun will eventually wear out...

If you don't want it to wear out, then nichts schiessen!

Edward Tinker · 12-10-2002, 06:33 PM

Yah right John... ole RK can't have a wallhanger! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Heinz · 12-10-2002, 06:59 PM

RK, wear on one side on a 1918 is not really wear, it is just bedding itself in. Sort of like Harley Davidsons, they don't leak oil, they mark their spot.

heinz

Lonnie Zimmerman · 12-10-2002, 07:04 PM

RK; a little extreme pressure grease will slow down the process.
Lonnie

Roadkill · 12-10-2002, 07:19 PM

Just my luck. I pay way too much for a gun, work on it for months to get it shooting, start reloading mainly to match bullets to the thing, put up with abuse from my wife and folks who don't think guns are for shooting, hang around here cause I have to have help to keep it shooting, bad looks from my dog, ridicule from my buddies ("You paid what for that? That's more than my four wheeler cost. Ken got a Russian wife and it didn't cost that much"), and now you tell me to hang it up?

Heinz · 12-10-2002, 07:34 PM

RK, I not sure you need to hang it up. Try to determine if your toggle is striking on the side with the wear and the otherside is not quite touching when the break occurs. You can buy some very thin plastic strips with marking compound that are made for this. Or you can put a little layout dye on both side of the fram and see if it is remoced on only one side when working the action. If it hits one sided just lightly stone the rolled over edge off until it finallyy beds itself in. Stoning the edge off works best under magnification. You can buy a pair of reading glasses of 2.0 power and get done close to the piece.

Is this the original toggle? AND I assuming this is a shooter, not a holster queen.

Roadkill · 12-10-2002, 08:11 PM

Thanks, I'll try that later. Its the original toggle, and no, no holster queen. Definitely a shooter. Holster queens are like high maintenance women. Good to look at and have around, not much use for anything else. Good advice. Not familar with high pressure grease though.

rk

Weissen · 12-11-2002, 05:48 PM

On a similar note, how many rounds is a Luger good for? Have any tests or estimates been done as to how many cycles these things can take?
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12-10-2002, 04:36 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Luger wear I'm adding this here cause I'm referring to a 1918 Erfurt, but it applies to all shooters. Where the toggle strikes the frame to unlock is showing wear. If this has been discussed before I missed it, but using the guidelines of "none, noticeable, minor, appreciable, significant, major, and flattened out", mine would be in the "significant" area but only on one side. Starting to flatten a little. Toggle and frame match, any suggestions to keep this from worsening except for quit shooting (God forbid) it? thanks rk

12-10-2002, 05:01 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	IT is going to wear RK... remember that 1918 was a LOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time ago and the piece has seen a few rounds put through it. The fact that the wear is one sided indicates that it touches that side first so the toggle unlocks before it smacks the other side real hard. This may be the result of the gun being refinished at some point and the ramp on the non-wear side may have received a bit more polishing than the other. You could minimize the wear by using reduced loads and tuning the mainspring (recoil spring) for function, but unless the gun cost you a fortune there is really no remedy... just like you and I, this gun will eventually wear out... If you don't want it to wear out, then nichts schiessen! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-10-2002, 06:33 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Yah right John... ole RK can't have a wallhanger! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-10-2002, 07:04 PM	#5
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	RK; a little extreme pressure grease will slow down the process. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

12-10-2002, 06:59 PM	#4
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	RK, wear on one side on a 1918 is not really wear, it is just bedding itself in. Sort of like Harley Davidsons, they don't leak oil, they mark their spot. heinz

12-10-2002, 07:19 PM	#6
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Just my luck. I pay way too much for a gun, work on it for months to get it shooting, start reloading mainly to match bullets to the thing, put up with abuse from my wife and folks who don't think guns are for shooting, hang around here cause I have to have help to keep it shooting, bad looks from my dog, ridicule from my buddies ("You paid what for that? That's more than my four wheeler cost. Ken got a Russian wife and it didn't cost that much"), and now you tell me to hang it up?

12-10-2002, 07:34 PM	#7
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	RK, I not sure you need to hang it up. Try to determine if your toggle is striking on the side with the wear and the otherside is not quite touching when the break occurs. You can buy some very thin plastic strips with marking compound that are made for this. Or you can put a little layout dye on both side of the fram and see if it is remoced on only one side when working the action. If it hits one sided just lightly stone the rolled over edge off until it finallyy beds itself in. Stoning the edge off works best under magnification. You can buy a pair of reading glasses of 2.0 power and get done close to the piece. Is this the original toggle? AND I assuming this is a shooter, not a holster queen.

12-10-2002, 08:11 PM	#8
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Thanks, I'll try that later. Its the original toggle, and no, no holster queen. Definitely a shooter. Holster queens are like high maintenance women. Good to look at and have around, not much use for anything else. Good advice. Not familar with high pressure grease though. rk

12-11-2002, 05:48 PM	#9
Weissen User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South Australia Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	On a similar note, how many rounds is a Luger good for? Have any tests or estimates been done as to how many cycles these things can take? <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />