G&S Luger volumes

[jeb111]

I have the green covered G&S volumes but from what I gather from here on the forum the later red covered volumes are better. Why? And are there any glaring mistakes in the green volumes that I should be aware of? I really get a lot out of them although I never read them cover to cover, use more as reference material. I don’t even remember where I got them or what I paid they didn’t come with the DVD’s but I’ve had them awhile. Would it be better to sell them and get the red covered volumes or is the differences minimal?
Jim

[mrerick]

The Red cover version, published by Simpson, was later and had minor updates. It was also organized and edited as G&S wanted it to be.

I don't own the Green cover set, so cannot compare them as far as their utility goes. I do find the PDF copy in the Simpson set quite useful, and carry it in my tablet a gun shows.

[Mac Cat]

The original set (Green) was published in 2010.
The second set (Red) was published in 2011.

The second set has completely re-organized and reduced the number of chapters to the point it is almost impossible to compare the two book sets. The second version also has additional material, although I could not tell you what is new.

The second (red) set also shipped with two CDs, which were not in the original (green) set.
The CD's came in individual cases, but there are two CD pockets to store them in the back of the volume 1. I think that the CD's are the additional content.

[Norme]

I have both sets and much prefer the original “green” set. It’s printed on better paper, has clearer illustrations and lies flat when opened. In all the time I have owned them I have only come across one illustration in the “red” set that could be described as new. My advice, get the CD from Simpson’s, it costs $20 and change.
Norm
P.S. Whoever designed the slipcase for the “red” set should have his hands cut off! It’s impossible to remove a single volume when the set is in a packed bookcase.

[Vlim]

The Swiss section has some corrections and updates. I supplied the information after studying the green edition.

I find it impossible to get the green books from their slip case.

[sheepherder]

There has been much discussion of the two sets here, a Search would be beneficial. IIRC, it was said that one of the authors disagreed with the editing (?) of the green set, and that the red set was more in line with the author's wishes. Again, a Search will turn up more on this subject, here.

[Major Tom]

I once had the 'green set'. The amount of info would make you dizzy!

[spangy]

I have the 'Green set' which I find invaluable ... it's a
Deluxe 3-Volume slip-cased First Edition, 2010
2,014 pages, 1,917 illustrations, most in color

https://www.collectorgrade.com/bookshelf3.html

The exhaustive Index in the back of Volume III directs the reader to over 50 specific entries under the heading "Fakery".
Simply a must have for Luger Collectors IMHO

[jeb111]

Good to hear the green covered edition is not much different content wise but I think I will take Norm’s advice and get the cd’s, I think they would be helpful. I do get a lot out of these books and refer to them constantly.
Jim

[Edward Tinker]

I bought the set when it first came out, and when Simpson redid it, I bought one - I much prefer the Red version, simply because the editor liked to make comments and moved things around that irritated Sturgess, which I understand. I find that sturgess moved things to me better, but both books are amazing - although mistakes are found in every book, and he liked to use his guns rather than any body else, which I believe leads to a slightly myopic view of the variations. This is not uncommon in writing, because you need to do that to an extent - it was a reason that Dwight and I asked for examples from other collectors, to include a section on magazines (input from Don Hallock), section on tools (input by Col Lindsey) and other experts.

The main thing I didn't like about Sturgess is that he didn't add anything from Simson Lugers - we had up to dated information, and he simply ignored it. No idea why, perhaps he doesn't like my writing style (or Grahams) and it was the same publisher that did our book?

[Ron Wood]

I know I am being petty, but the thing that irks me a bit is that what the first printing (green) had that was completely omitted from the second version (red) is the acknowledgement of contributors. My Russian manual was featured and labeled "courtesy Ron Wood" as were acknowledgements of other folks that provided materials...not so in the red books.
Ron