42 byf black widow mags

Orvis25 · 01-13-2003, 06:38 PM

Resized by Ed

Are these mags for byf 42 correct and original ?

should both have FXO on them? I have one that does not as you can see. both have a eagle 37 at the top and the following below. do these look original.

Heydrich · 01-13-2003, 09:13 PM

For Luger parts, The 37 Waffenamt represents the Haenel company in Suhl. They are indeed listed as producing fxo coded P.08 parts from 1941-42. That Waffenamt, WaA37, was also used very extensively for K98k rifle parts by JP Sauer and Sohn, also in Suhl; I have many examples in my collection. All I can tell you is that the 37 stamps on your magazines look exactly like the examples I have.

There is a complete listing of German WW2 amt’s codes at Claus’ site in Acrobat format for anyone who is ever interested:

Claus Espeholt

Frank · 01-13-2003, 09:31 PM

Hi Dan, the fxo magazine is absolutely proper for the byf 42.

The 122 magazine has been messed with. The pin appears to have been damaged?? It should have an aluminum bottom and in that configuration would be proper for a 1940, 41, Code 42 or an early byf 41.

Orvis25 · 01-14-2003, 09:36 AM

Thanks,
Frank I guess what you are getting at is the mag with the 122 that has been messed with should be aluminum and have a serial # as well. I am wondering what someone was thinking. I guess they had a badly beaten fxo mag tore off the black bottom and put it onto a serial number mag that had no chance of finding its matching gun. Made a FXo mag and charged $150 instead of $50-60. what do you think?

Frank · 01-14-2003, 12:37 PM

Dan, that would be my read!! Exactly!!

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Silvereagle29 · 01-30-2003, 02:06 AM

Hi
Note the pin on your 122 code magazine. This indicates the pin has been out and the bottom changed. The C.G. Haenel magazine marked 122 and SE-37 appeared in January of 1940 with the 1940-42 Lugers. The 122 code magazine remained as "the magazine" until the very late - o - block of the 41-42 / 41-byf production. All 122 code magazine had a concave pinned aluminum base numbered to the gun. None of these 122 code magazines were original with "black plastic" bottoms. During the very late - o - block the first C.G. Haenel fxo magazine appeared. These magazines also had a concave pinned aluminum base and were numbered to the gun. They were marked with the fxo stick eagle 37 and an upside down P 08. About the - r - block of the 41-byf production the next fxo magazine appeared. This also had the fxo stick eagle 37 but the P 08 was right side up. These also had concave pinned aluminum bases (CCPA) About the same time (June of 1941) the last of the C.G Haenel "extruded" magazines appeared. These were the black plastic base magazines. About the - u - block of the 41-byf production Mauser seriously curtailed the numbering of Luger magazines. The last two mentioned magazines were common until the end of Luger production. Good Luck
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01-13-2003, 06:38 PM	#1
Orvis25 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	42 byf black widow mags Resized by Ed Are these mags for byf 42 correct and original ? should both have FXO on them? I have one that does not as you can see. both have a eagle 37 at the top and the following below. do these look original.

01-13-2003, 09:13 PM	#2
Heydrich Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For Luger parts, The 37 Waffenamt represents the Haenel company in Suhl. They are indeed listed as producing fxo coded P.08 parts from 1941-42. That Waffenamt, WaA37, was also used very extensively for K98k rifle parts by JP Sauer and Sohn, also in Suhl; I have many examples in my collection. All I can tell you is that the 37 stamps on your magazines look exactly like the examples I have. There is a complete listing of German WW2 amt’s codes at Claus’ site in Acrobat format for anyone who is ever interested: Claus Espeholt

01-13-2003, 09:31 PM	#3
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 165 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Dan, the fxo magazine is absolutely proper for the byf 42. The 122 magazine has been messed with. The pin appears to have been damaged?? It should have an aluminum bottom and in that configuration would be proper for a 1940, 41, Code 42 or an early byf 41.

01-14-2003, 09:36 AM	#4
Orvis25 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, Frank I guess what you are getting at is the mag with the 122 that has been messed with should be aluminum and have a serial # as well. I am wondering what someone was thinking. I guess they had a badly beaten fxo mag tore off the black bottom and put it onto a serial number mag that had no chance of finding its matching gun. Made a FXo mag and charged $150 instead of $50-60. what do you think?

01-14-2003, 12:37 PM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 165 Times in 87 Posts	Dan, that would be my read!! Exactly!! <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />

01-30-2003, 02:06 AM	#6
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Note the pin on your 122 code magazine. This indicates the pin has been out and the bottom changed. The C.G. Haenel magazine marked 122 and SE-37 appeared in January of 1940 with the 1940-42 Lugers. The 122 code magazine remained as "the magazine" until the very late - o - block of the 41-42 / 41-byf production. All 122 code magazine had a concave pinned aluminum base numbered to the gun. None of these 122 code magazines were original with "black plastic" bottoms. During the very late - o - block the first C.G. Haenel fxo magazine appeared. These magazines also had a concave pinned aluminum base and were numbered to the gun. They were marked with the fxo stick eagle 37 and an upside down P 08. About the - r - block of the 41-byf production the next fxo magazine appeared. This also had the fxo stick eagle 37 but the P 08 was right side up. These also had concave pinned aluminum bases (CCPA) About the same time (June of 1941) the last of the C.G Haenel "extruded" magazines appeared. These were the black plastic base magazines. About the - u - block of the 41-byf production Mauser seriously curtailed the numbering of Luger magazines. The last two mentioned magazines were common until the end of Luger production. Good Luck h H