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Dune Centurion · 06-01-2018, 06:46 AM

Good Morning all.

I'm new to the forum and a new Luger owner. So after a recent unexpected acquisition of a Luger I thought I should get on this forum and charge up the learning curve. I've been reading for days and have followed a lot of advise. So to start I recognize the IMMENSE amount of experience and knowledge that I have the privilege to tap into. What a great country we have that we can pursue this hobby in peace!
Thank your anticipated patience right from the start.

If I can learn to load pics. I will send them in the future but for now it will be just text.

The Luger.
DWM, 1916, S/N XX58[/B] Black plastic grips. Stock lug. Mec-Gar mag. It has been reblued. The person who did it was mindful to not buff out the numbers or stamps, not a bad job overall. I've seen lots of Cops guns over the years that look much worse and are carried daily (sad!) The only serious pitting is under the grips which can't be seen with the grips on. All the parts that I can see are matching numbers. It has been rebarreled (pristine bore, there are importer marks on the underside) no other factory stamps. I replaced the grips(bad shape) with Altamont grips( Not bad for the price). Once I saw that the condition was good I took it to the range. What an amazing experience. Mag. had issues(would have failures to feed 4-7 rounds). I knew the mag was old and wanted another so when I got the gun I chance ordered a new Mec-gar it shot/functioned great. For me, shoots 2 in. high and just a tad left at 15 yards. What a fine 101 year old machine. I'm going to buy a set of wolff springs since I've no way to tell whats it it now, couldn't hurt right?
So I'm thinking what I have is a great shooter. I'm not a collector which is the reason I never had one of these but now I really understand, "bet you can't.... just one"!

Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Dune Centurion

DavidJayUden · 06-01-2018, 07:23 AM

I think you have said it all. Sounds like a perfect shooter, just in need of the perfect magazine to feed it.
And now that they are in your blood, you can begin the hunt for the next one.
Welcome aboard.
dju

DonVoigt · 06-01-2018, 09:09 AM

Welcome.
Changing springs won't "hurt", but is not required if it is functioning correctly now.

wlyon · 06-01-2018, 09:13 AM

Welcome to the Forum and happy collecting. Bill

Arizona Slim · 06-01-2018, 09:53 AM

I too, would like to welcome you to the Forum Kevin. I see by your last comment "bet you can't....just one" that you are fully aware that Luger collecting can be rather "addictive" so no further warning from me or anyone else is necessary.

Good luck to you in the future.

Lon

mrerick · 06-01-2018, 09:55 AM

Welcome to the forum. You'll enjoy our free Luger FAQ document which has years of accumulated Luger knowledge available:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121

If your Luger is cycling properly, don't be too worried about older springs. If you have concerns, search on "tape test" for discussions of marks on the rear of the frame and the recoil spring. The FAQ lists the various recoil springs used over the history of Luger production.

Curly1 · 06-01-2018, 10:04 AM

Welcome to the forum

rhuff · 06-01-2018, 01:07 PM

Welcome to the forum, and your first Luger experience.

John Sabato · 06-01-2018, 01:20 PM

Indeed. Welcome to the forum and the Luger fraternity !

ithacaartist · 06-01-2018, 03:54 PM

Welcome, Kevin. Now we need to see those pics--shooter or not! You may have already found the sticky that contains the tutorial for posting them...

Dune Centurion · 06-01-2018, 05:15 PM

OK, I'm going to the range tomorrow to try the tape test, a new mag and some different ammo. I read about the tape test but I'm not sure what I am looking for. I'll search the threads tonight. The idea seems reasonable. I have to confess, I see the references to stickies but have no idea what they are. Anyone care to amplify, Be gentle, I'm a rookie.
Oh, wanted to add. I've handled lots of guns over a long career. I took this 101 yr old gun apart and there is virtually no play or rattle anywhere. Amazing engineering and workmanship.

Amazing.
Kevin

jmh119 · 06-01-2018, 05:28 PM

Hi Kevin and welcome to the forum!
A "sticky" is a post or thread that has been deemed to have important info and needs to be readily available to all and not be "lost in the crowd". They stay at the top of each of the forum sections.
Again, welcome!
James

Dune Centurion · 06-01-2018, 05:35 PM

Thanks, I understand now. I found a thread on the tape test. My understanding is that if the toggle leaves minor dents on the tape and the pistols functions then its ok. When I break it down again I will look at the inside rear of the receiver and see what that tells me.
Kevin

ithacaartist · 06-01-2018, 07:37 PM

Check out the back end of the breech block and firing pin spring guide as well, for peening and spalling. Worst case, you might find a crack. Those are the parts that get smashed against the inside rear of the frame...

Sieger · 06-02-2018, 01:25 AM

Dune,

If you handload, I'd be happy to help.

Sieger

mauro · 06-02-2018, 03:53 AM

Welcome

Dune Centurion · 06-02-2018, 08:01 AM

I found this when I first started the research on parts interaction. The best I have ever seen. Helped me fix a grip problem when I installed aftermarkets right off the bat.
Thought I would share. Although I'm sure ya'll have seen this before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ysSk0aDo4

Kevin
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
Rev. William John Henry Boetcker
Author of the "Cannots"

Eugen · 06-02-2018, 09:56 AM

Kevin, welcome to the forum and to all the gun you will have with your Luger. By pure chance I acquired my first one almost three years ago. I have four and a half now.

But, I still very much consider myself a newbie especially when when in association with the folks on this forum with their vast knowledge and experience.

Show us some pics and post often.

Dune Centurion · 06-02-2018, 10:54 AM

S&B 115 gr.. Ran my thumb nail O/S over frame, no peening. I/S of frame had some peening but it is old and still covered by rebluing job. My thought is that is was from proof loads but who knows with a 101 year old gun, right?

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Dune Centurion · 06-03-2018, 07:18 AM

I am a fortune favors the prepared kinda guy.
So, more reading (as I slog up the learning curve) beg sthe asking of this question?
My shooter works fine. I was thinking it might be wise to have an replacement extractor/spring. Any other parts might have on hand while they are easy to come by and from whom would I get them from?
I've read a number of threads on this but some of them are dated.
Thoughts?

Kevin

06-01-2018, 06:46 AM	#1
Dune Centurion User Join Date: May 2018 Location: NE Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	OK, I'm in. Good Morning all. I'm new to the forum and a new Luger owner. So after a recent unexpected acquisition of a Luger I thought I should get on this forum and charge up the learning curve. I've been reading for days and have followed a lot of advise. So to start I recognize the IMMENSE amount of experience and knowledge that I have the privilege to tap into. What a great country we have that we can pursue this hobby in peace! Thank your anticipated patience right from the start. If I can learn to load pics. I will send them in the future but for now it will be just text. The Luger. DWM, 1916, S/N XX58[/B] Black plastic grips. Stock lug. Mec-Gar mag. It has been reblued. The person who did it was mindful to not buff out the numbers or stamps, not a bad job overall. I've seen lots of Cops guns over the years that look much worse and are carried daily (sad!) The only serious pitting is under the grips which can't be seen with the grips on. All the parts that I can see are matching numbers. It has been rebarreled (pristine bore, there are importer marks on the underside) no other factory stamps. I replaced the grips(bad shape) with Altamont grips( Not bad for the price). Once I saw that the condition was good I took it to the range. What an amazing experience. Mag. had issues(would have failures to feed 4-7 rounds). I knew the mag was old and wanted another so when I got the gun I chance ordered a new Mec-gar it shot/functioned great. For me, shoots 2 in. high and just a tad left at 15 yards. What a fine 101 year old machine. I'm going to buy a set of wolff springs since I've no way to tell whats it it now, couldn't hurt right? So I'm thinking what I have is a great shooter. I'm not a collector which is the reason I never had one of these but now I really understand, "bet you can't.... just one"! Any thoughts? Thanks. Dune Centurion

06-01-2018, 09:09 AM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,354 Times in 2,041 Posts	Welcome. Changing springs won't "hurt", but is not required if it is functioning correctly now. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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06-01-2018, 09:55 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Welcome to the forum. You'll enjoy our free Luger FAQ document which has years of accumulated Luger knowledge available: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121 If your Luger is cycling properly, don't be too worried about older springs. If you have concerns, search on "tape test" for discussions of marks on the rear of the frame and the recoil spring. The FAQ lists the various recoil springs used over the history of Luger production. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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06-01-2018, 07:23 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I think you have said it all. Sounds like a perfect shooter, just in need of the perfect magazine to feed it. And now that they are in your blood, you can begin the hunt for the next one. Welcome aboard. dju

06-01-2018, 09:53 AM	#5
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	I too, would like to welcome you to the Forum Kevin. I see by your last comment "bet you can't....just one" that you are fully aware that Luger collecting can be rather "addictive" so no further warning from me or anyone else is necessary. Good luck to you in the future. Lon

06-01-2018, 01:07 PM	#8
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06-01-2018, 01:20 PM	#9
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06-01-2018, 03:54 PM	#10
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,368 Thanks: 7,430 Thanked 2,610 Times in 1,378 Posts	Welcome, Kevin. Now we need to see those pics--shooter or not! You may have already found the sticky that contains the tutorial for posting them... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

06-01-2018, 05:15 PM	#11
Dune Centurion User Join Date: May 2018 Location: NE Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	OK, I'm going to the range tomorrow to try the tape test, a new mag and some different ammo. I read about the tape test but I'm not sure what I am looking for. I'll search the threads tonight. The idea seems reasonable. I have to confess, I see the references to stickies but have no idea what they are. Anyone care to amplify, Be gentle, I'm a rookie. Oh, wanted to add. I've handled lots of guns over a long career. I took this 101 yr old gun apart and there is virtually no play or rattle anywhere. Amazing engineering and workmanship. Amazing. Kevin

06-01-2018, 05:28 PM	#12
jmh119 New User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi Kevin and welcome to the forum! A "sticky" is a post or thread that has been deemed to have important info and needs to be readily available to all and not be "lost in the crowd". They stay at the top of each of the forum sections. Again, welcome! James

06-01-2018, 05:35 PM	#13
Dune Centurion User Join Date: May 2018 Location: NE Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks, I understand now. I found a thread on the tape test. My understanding is that if the toggle leaves minor dents on the tape and the pistols functions then its ok. When I break it down again I will look at the inside rear of the receiver and see what that tells me. Kevin

06-01-2018, 07:37 PM	#14
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,368 Thanks: 7,430 Thanked 2,610 Times in 1,378 Posts	Check out the back end of the breech block and firing pin spring guide as well, for peening and spalling. Worst case, you might find a crack. Those are the parts that get smashed against the inside rear of the frame... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

06-02-2018, 01:25 AM	#15
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06-02-2018, 08:01 AM	#17
Dune Centurion User Join Date: May 2018 Location: NE Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	I found this when I first started the research on parts interaction. The best I have ever seen. Helped me fix a grip problem when I installed aftermarkets right off the bat. Thought I would share. Although I'm sure ya'll have seen this before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ysSk0aDo4 Kevin You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. Rev. William John Henry Boetcker Author of the "Cannots"

06-02-2018, 09:56 AM	#18
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 793 Thanks: 400 Thanked 634 Times in 336 Posts	Kevin, welcome to the forum and to all the gun you will have with your Luger. By pure chance I acquired my first one almost three years ago. I have four and a half now. But, I still very much consider myself a newbie especially when when in association with the folks on this forum with their vast knowledge and experience. Show us some pics and post often. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

06-02-2018, 10:54 AM	#19
Dune Centurion User Join Date: May 2018 Location: NE Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Tape test results. S&B 115 gr.. Ran my thumb nail O/S over frame, no peening. I/S of frame had some peening but it is old and still covered by rebluing job. My thought is that is was from proof loads but who knows with a 101 year old gun, right?

06-03-2018, 07:18 AM	#20
Dune Centurion User Join Date: May 2018 Location: NE Florida Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	I am a fortune favors the prepared kinda guy. So, more reading (as I slog up the learning curve) beg sthe asking of this question? My shooter works fine. I was thinking it might be wise to have an replacement extractor/spring. Any other parts might have on hand while they are easy to come by and from whom would I get them from? I've read a number of threads on this but some of them are dated. Thoughts? Kevin __________________ Kevin You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. Rev. William John Henry Boetcker Author of the "Cannots"