More American Eagle Proof Survey

Dwight Gruber · 05-27-2004, 10:20 AM

First, continued thanks to everyone who has participated.

After working with and considering the data a bit, I've decided that I am interested in more than just the proof marks, and more than just American Eagles. These guns represent only a part of the Commercial serial number range, and from such a limited sample one cannot get an overall picture of early Lugers.

So, I am asking for more information, from an expanded vaariety of Lugers. In addition to American Eagles, I am looking for Commercial, Swiss Commercial 1900 and 1906 (-not- the Swiss military contract series), 1900 Bulgarian, 1906 Navy Commercial, and anything else 1900-1906 which came from the Commercial serial number series.

The additional information I am looking for, from 1900 model: -full- serial number, proof marks or absence of same, Swiss cross on the barrel, whether the grip safety is wide (full grip strap width) or narrow (half-width), which type of thumb safety lever (type 1, flat-checkered; type 2, raised checkered; type 3, raised fluted), where the takedown lever is numbered (right end, left face, bottom), and if the gun is GERMANY marked.

From 1902 model: -full- serial number, proof marks or absence of same, whether the grip safety is wide or narrow, which type of thumb safety lever, where the takedown lever is numbered, and if the gun is GERMANY marked.

From 1906 model: -full- serial number, proof marks or absence of same, if the gun is 9mm, and if the gun is GERMANY marked.

As before, I will maintain anonymity of the samples. Please send your information to mailto:dwightg@pacifier.comdwightg@pacifier.com</a>

Below you will find the results of the survey thus far. I have tried to find a format which will work with the Forum and make sense. The information is drawn from many different sources, not all of which provide all the characteristics I seek. The vertical hash marks represent No Data.

--Dwight

........................................................................ ..

1900
#--------proof------+----------palm----------------safe---------------lever#

3xx S-------|------yes----------|----------------Type 1-----------------|-----------
51x S-------|------yes-------Narrow----------------Type 1--------------End--------
5(55?)S-----|------yes-------Narrow?---------------Type 1---------------End-------
6xx S-------|------yes-------Narrow---------------Type 1--------------End--------
9xx S-------|--------|---------|------------------Type 3------------------|----------

2001 C----no------|-------------|----------------------|-----------------------|---------
2002 AE---no-----no-----------|------------------------|-----------------------|----------
2004 AE---no------|-------------|----------------------|-----------------------|---------
2007 AE---no------|-------------|----------------------|-----------------------|---------
2011 AE---no------|-------------|----------------------|-----------------------|---------
2019 AE---no-----no-----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2021 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2025 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2070 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2086 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2104 AE---no-----yes------Narrow-------------Type 2----------------End-----
2128 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2132 AE----|------yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2136 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2146 AE---no-----yes------Narrow-------------Type 2----------------End------
2167 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
21(75)AE--no-----yes----------|--------------------Type 2----------------End------
2180 AE----|------|------------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2182 AE----|------|------------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2189 AE---no-----yes----------|---------------------Type 2------------------|---------
2190 AE----|-----|------------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2199 AE---no-----yes---------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------
2461 AE----|------|------------|------------------------|-----------------------|---------

36xx C----BUG----no--------Narrow---------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)-
37xx S----BUG----no----------|---------------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)-
38xx S-----|-------yes---------|---------------------Type 3-----------(bottom?)-
40xx C----BUG----no----------|---------------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)-
44xx C----BUG----no----------|---------------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)--GERMANY

50xxC-----BUG----no-----Narrow---------------Type 2--------------Face?----

6074 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|------------------------|---------
6671 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|------------------------|---------
6761 TE----|--------no-----------Narrow-------------Type 2------------------|---------

7050 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|------------------------|-----------
7094 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|------------------------|-----------
7431 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|------------------------|-----------
7554 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|------------------------|-----------
7559 TE----|---------|------------|------------------------|---------------------Face-------

#----------proof----+----------palm----------------safe---------------lever#

8444 AE---no-------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
8528 AE---no-------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
86xx AE---no-----no----------|---------------------Type 2-------------------|-----------
8937 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
8950 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
8951 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
8977 AE---no-----yes----------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------

9346 AE---no-----no-----Narrow---------------Type 2---------------Bottom----
9506 AE---no-------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
9856 AE---no-------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------

10373 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
10849 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
109xxAE----no----no----------|---------------------Type 2 --------------(end?)------

132xx C-----no----no----------|---------------------Type 3-------------(bottom?)--
13310 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
13452 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
13499 AE---no-----no-------Wide----------------Type 3--------------bottom--GERMANY
13619 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
13664 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------

14055 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
14765 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
148xx AE---no----no----------|---------------------Type 3------------------|------------

18336 AE----|--------|------------|-------------------------|------------------------|-----------
185xx C----no-----no-------Wide-----------------Type 3------------------|-----------
18808 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
18903 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------
18982 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------

19080 AE---no------|------------|------------------------|-------------------------|-----------

1902
#---------------proof-------------palm------------------safe-----------------lever#

224xx AE---------no---------------|---------------------Type3-------------------|----------
22443 AE---------no---------------|-------------------------|------------------------|----------
22498 AE---------no---------------|-------------------------|------------------------|----------
225xx C -----------|-----------------|-------------------------|------------------------|----------
226xx AE---------no--------------|----------------------Type3-------------------|----------
22639 AE---------no---------------|-------------------------|------------------------|----------
227xx AE---------no---------------|---------------------Type2-------------------|----------
22849 AE---------no---------------|-------------------------|------------------------|----------
23233 AE--------BUG-------------|-------------------------|------------------------|----------

1906
#------------proof

25707 AE------no----------9mm
265xx AE------no----------9mm
28029 AE------no
28067 AE------no
28288 AE-----BUG
28676 AE------no----------9mm
28866 AE------no----------9mm

301xx AE------no
30627 AE------no
311xx AE------no
31309 AE------no
315xx AE------no
31883 AE------no
34680 AE-----BUG
35069 AE------no
35134 AE------no
35439 AE------no
36088 AE------no
36203 AE------no
36637 AE------no (c/N on toggle)
38338 AE------no----------9mm

417xx C------BUG---------9mm
45791 AE-----BUG
459xx AE------no
46237 AE--------|---
46305 AE-----BUG
47877 AE-----BUG
48504 AE-----BUG----------9mm
48710 AE-----BUG

51xx AE-------c/N-----------9mm
53212 AE-------c/N----------9mm
54267 AE-------c/N----------9mm
54679 AE-------c/N----------9mm
54824 AE-------c/N
55051 AE-------c/N

63158 AE-------c/N
632xx AE-------c/N
63352 AE-------c/N
641xx AE-------c/N----------9mm
66524 AE-------c/N (Spy Luger)
670xx AE--------|---
68xxx AE-------c/N
68646 AE--------c/N

Commercial
AEmerican eagle
TEst eagle
Swiss commercial 1900
Bulgarian 1900
NCavy commercial 1906
Swiss commercial 1906

SteveM · 05-29-2004, 10:53 AM

I find it interesting that there are no 1900's in the 11000,12000,15000,16000,17000 serial ranges. Wonder where these went to.

SteveM

Dwight Gruber · 05-29-2004, 12:20 PM

Steve,

It is only that here are no American Eagles in my survey in those serial ranges, and this is exactly why I want to expand the survey to non-AE Commercials and the other models I mentioned.

Also, this is a very small sample of the guns produced--less than .5%--and not enough guns have been reported to start populaating those statistical niches.

Which is why I'm desperate for more people to send me information for the survey, if it is going to have any relevance in the long run.

--Dwight

Vlim · 05-30-2004, 10:13 AM

Steve, Dwight,

I think that part of the range was used for general commercial sales between 1900 and 1902. These may be commercially marketed everywhere and some may even be rerouted for test/acceptance purposes, being simply lifted from commercial stock.

John Sabato · 06-01-2004, 10:42 AM

Dwight, check the Member Gallery... I remember that there is an album there created by me regarding a commercial 1900 that was owned by Robert Musgrave... There are also a lot of other albums with 1900 commercials shown. Perhaps some of the answers to your survey might be found there.

If the information about the true owner of the guns is not found there, send me a private message about which ones have potential, and I will attempt to reseach what I can about the owners of the photos.

Dwight Gruber · 06-02-2004, 04:10 AM

John,

A good idea. I had gone through it when I was doing the short version of the survey, I just went through it again looking for the extended models and characteristics. I was able to get quite a bit of what I am looking for out of it. I am way shy of grip safety width data, the standard photographic angles do not include this feature.

Thanks for the reminder.

--Dwight

ViggoG · 06-07-2004, 05:30 PM

ACHTUNG - ACHTUNG - ACHTUNG ! <img border="0" alt="[blabla]" title="" src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" />
Lets all jump in and flood Dwight with Data !!!!
I for One think that he has a great Idea and Totally Approve !! My Data Is In !

NOW EVERY ONE ELSE, LETS GET YOUR EARLY LUGER DATA IN !!!
I wanna see the result as soon as possible ! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />
PLEASE !!
ViggoG

Dwight Gruber · 06-07-2004, 10:03 PM

Viggo,

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

But everybody please check the Early Luger Survey for the latest version.

--Dwight

ViggoG · 06-12-2004, 11:58 PM

Dwight,
Check your PM's.
Viggo

Dog1 · 09-21-2008, 08:39 PM

1902 AE 230xx has BU on left side of slide, B on left toggle in front of link pin and BU on left side of toggle. BUG underside of barrel.

The barrel markings have a number between the proof marks and serial number. The arrangements looks like this:

BG
U
118,35

230xx

Dwight Gruber · 09-22-2008, 03:20 AM

Randolph,

The information is appreciated, but only useful if you report the full serial number. If you do not want to do so in public, email me directly dwightg@pacifier.com

--Dwight

Levallois · 09-26-2008, 03:28 PM

Dwight,

I sent you an email.

John

Tim · 10-01-2008, 06:50 PM

Dwight,
Don't know if I reported this before... Isn't on the list
1900 commercial
SN 18308
Germany
Commercial serial placement with takedown numbered on bottom
No BUG
Wide grip safety
Type 3 safety
Hope this adds to the analysis
Tim

05-27-2004, 10:20 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	More American Eagle Proof Survey First, continued thanks to everyone who has participated. After working with and considering the data a bit, I've decided that I am interested in more than just the proof marks, and more than just American Eagles. These guns represent only a part of the Commercial serial number range, and from such a limited sample one cannot get an overall picture of early Lugers. So, I am asking for more information, from an expanded vaariety of Lugers. In addition to American Eagles, I am looking for Commercial, Swiss Commercial 1900 and 1906 (-not- the Swiss military contract series), 1900 Bulgarian, 1906 Navy Commercial, and anything else 1900-1906 which came from the Commercial serial number series. The additional information I am looking for, from 1900 model: -full- serial number, proof marks or absence of same, Swiss cross on the barrel, whether the grip safety is wide (full grip strap width) or narrow (half-width), which type of thumb safety lever (type 1, flat-checkered; type 2, raised checkered; type 3, raised fluted), where the takedown lever is numbered (right end, left face, bottom), and if the gun is GERMANY marked. From 1902 model: -full- serial number, proof marks or absence of same, whether the grip safety is wide or narrow, which type of thumb safety lever, where the takedown lever is numbered, and if the gun is GERMANY marked. From 1906 model: -full- serial number, proof marks or absence of same, if the gun is 9mm, and if the gun is GERMANY marked. As before, I will maintain anonymity of the samples. Please send your information to mailto:dwightg@pacifier.comdwightg@pacifier.com</a> Below you will find the results of the survey thus far. I have tried to find a format which will work with the Forum and make sense. The information is drawn from many different sources, not all of which provide all the characteristics I seek. The vertical hash marks represent No Data. --Dwight ........................................................................ .. 1900 #--------proof------+----------palm----------------safe---------------lever# 3xx S-------\|------yes----------\|----------------Type 1-----------------\|----------- 51x S-------\|------yes-------Narrow----------------Type 1--------------End-------- 5(55?)S-----\|------yes-------Narrow?---------------Type 1---------------End------- 6xx S-------\|------yes-------Narrow---------------Type 1--------------End-------- 9xx S-------\|--------\|---------\|------------------Type 3------------------\|---------- 2001 C----no------\|-------------\|----------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2002 AE---no-----no-----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|---------- 2004 AE---no------\|-------------\|----------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2007 AE---no------\|-------------\|----------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2011 AE---no------\|-------------\|----------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2019 AE---no-----no-----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2021 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2025 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2070 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2086 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2104 AE---no-----yes------Narrow-------------Type 2----------------End----- 2128 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2132 AE----\|------yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2136 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2146 AE---no-----yes------Narrow-------------Type 2----------------End------ 2167 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 21(75)AE--no-----yes----------\|--------------------Type 2----------------End------ 2180 AE----\|------\|------------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2182 AE----\|------\|------------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2189 AE---no-----yes----------\|---------------------Type 2------------------\|--------- 2190 AE----\|-----\|------------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2199 AE---no-----yes---------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 2461 AE----\|------\|------------\|------------------------\|-----------------------\|--------- 36xx C----BUG----no--------Narrow---------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)- 37xx S----BUG----no----------\|---------------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)- 38xx S-----\|-------yes---------\|---------------------Type 3-----------(bottom?)- 40xx C----BUG----no----------\|---------------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)- 44xx C----BUG----no----------\|---------------------Type 1-----------(bottom?)--GERMANY 50xxC-----BUG----no-----Narrow---------------Type 2--------------Face?---- 6074 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|------------------------\|--------- 6671 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|------------------------\|--------- 6761 TE----\|--------no-----------Narrow-------------Type 2------------------\|--------- 7050 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|------------------------\|----------- 7094 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|------------------------\|----------- 7431 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|------------------------\|----------- 7554 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|------------------------\|----------- 7559 TE----\|---------\|------------\|------------------------\|---------------------Face------- #----------proof----+----------palm----------------safe---------------lever# 8444 AE---no-------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 8528 AE---no-------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 86xx AE---no-----no----------\|---------------------Type 2-------------------\|----------- 8937 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 8950 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 8951 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 8977 AE---no-----yes----------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 9346 AE---no-----no-----Narrow---------------Type 2---------------Bottom---- 9506 AE---no-------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 9856 AE---no-------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 10373 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 10849 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 109xxAE----no----no----------\|---------------------Type 2 --------------(end?)------ 132xx C-----no----no----------\|---------------------Type 3-------------(bottom?)-- 13310 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 13452 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 13499 AE---no-----no-------Wide----------------Type 3--------------bottom--GERMANY 13619 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 13664 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 14055 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 14765 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 148xx AE---no----no----------\|---------------------Type 3------------------\|------------ 18336 AE----\|--------\|------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|----------- 185xx C----no-----no-------Wide-----------------Type 3------------------\|----------- 18808 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 18903 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 18982 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 19080 AE---no------\|------------\|------------------------\|-------------------------\|----------- 1902 #---------------proof-------------palm------------------safe-----------------lever# 224xx AE---------no---------------\|---------------------Type3-------------------\|---------- 22443 AE---------no---------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|---------- 22498 AE---------no---------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|---------- 225xx C -----------\|-----------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|---------- 226xx AE---------no--------------\|----------------------Type3-------------------\|---------- 22639 AE---------no---------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|---------- 227xx AE---------no---------------\|---------------------Type2-------------------\|---------- 22849 AE---------no---------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|---------- 23233 AE--------BUG-------------\|-------------------------\|------------------------\|---------- 1906 #------------proof 25707 AE------no----------9mm 265xx AE------no----------9mm 28029 AE------no 28067 AE------no 28288 AE-----BUG 28676 AE------no----------9mm 28866 AE------no----------9mm 301xx AE------no 30627 AE------no 311xx AE------no 31309 AE------no 315xx AE------no 31883 AE------no 34680 AE-----BUG 35069 AE------no 35134 AE------no 35439 AE------no 36088 AE------no 36203 AE------no 36637 AE------no (c/N on toggle) 38338 AE------no----------9mm 417xx C------BUG---------9mm 45791 AE-----BUG 459xx AE------no 46237 AE--------\|--- 46305 AE-----BUG 47877 AE-----BUG 48504 AE-----BUG----------9mm 48710 AE-----BUG 51xx AE-------c/N-----------9mm 53212 AE-------c/N----------9mm 54267 AE-------c/N----------9mm 54679 AE-------c/N----------9mm 54824 AE-------c/N 55051 AE-------c/N 63158 AE-------c/N 632xx AE-------c/N 63352 AE-------c/N 641xx AE-------c/N----------9mm 66524 AE-------c/N (Spy Luger) 670xx AE--------\|--- 68xxx AE-------c/N 68646 AE--------c/N Commercial AEmerican eagle TEst eagle Swiss commercial 1900 Bulgarian 1900 NCavy commercial 1906 Swiss commercial 1906

06-01-2004, 10:42 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Dwight, check the Member Gallery... I remember that there is an album there created by me regarding a commercial 1900 that was owned by Robert Musgrave... There are also a lot of other albums with 1900 commercials shown. Perhaps some of the answers to your survey might be found there. If the information about the true owner of the guns is not found there, send me a private message about which ones have potential, and I will attempt to reseach what I can about the owners of the photos. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-01-2008, 06:50 PM	#13
Tim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great North Woods of Wisconsin Posts: 100 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Dwight, Don't know if I reported this before... Isn't on the list 1900 commercial SN 18308 Germany Commercial serial placement with takedown numbered on bottom No BUG Wide grip safety Type 3 safety Hope this adds to the analysis Tim __________________ The intent of the second amendment was not to allow the private ownership of firearms. If it had been it would have said something like "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"...

05-29-2004, 10:53 AM	#2
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I find it interesting that there are no 1900's in the 11000,12000,15000,16000,17000 serial ranges. Wonder where these went to. SteveM

05-29-2004, 12:20 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Steve, It is only that here are no American Eagles in my survey in those serial ranges, and this is exactly why I want to expand the survey to non-AE Commercials and the other models I mentioned. Also, this is a very small sample of the guns produced--less than .5%--and not enough guns have been reported to start populaating those statistical niches. Which is why I'm desperate for more people to send me information for the survey, if it is going to have any relevance in the long run. --Dwight

05-30-2004, 10:13 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,043 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,930 Times in 1,194 Posts	Steve, Dwight, I think that part of the range was used for general commercial sales between 1900 and 1902. These may be commercially marketed everywhere and some may even be rerouted for test/acceptance purposes, being simply lifted from commercial stock.

06-02-2004, 04:10 AM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	John, A good idea. I had gone through it when I was doing the short version of the survey, I just went through it again looking for the extended models and characteristics. I was able to get quite a bit of what I am looking for out of it. I am way shy of grip safety width data, the standard photographic angles do not include this feature. Thanks for the reminder. --Dwight

06-07-2004, 05:30 PM	#7
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	ACHTUNG - ACHTUNG - ACHTUNG ! <img border="0" alt="[blabla]" title="" src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" /> Lets all jump in and flood Dwight with Data !!!! I for One think that he has a great Idea and Totally Approve !! My Data Is In ! NOW EVERY ONE ELSE, LETS GET YOUR EARLY LUGER DATA IN !!! I wanna see the result as soon as possible ! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> PLEASE !! ViggoG

06-07-2004, 10:03 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Viggo, <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> But everybody please check the Early Luger Survey for the latest version. --Dwight

06-12-2004, 11:58 PM	#9
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Dwight, Check your PM's. Viggo

09-21-2008, 08:39 PM	#10
Dog1 User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1902 AE 230xx has BU on left side of slide, B on left toggle in front of link pin and BU on left side of toggle. BUG underside of barrel. The barrel markings have a number between the proof marks and serial number. The arrangements looks like this: BG U 118,35 230xx

09-22-2008, 03:20 AM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Randolph, The information is appreciated, but only useful if you report the full serial number. If you do not want to do so in public, email me directly dwightg@pacifier.com --Dwight

09-26-2008, 03:28 PM	#12
Levallois User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 69 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	Dwight, I sent you an email. John