Borchardt "Cleaning Kit"

Ron Wood · 11-30-2004, 03:17 PM

With the interest generated by Murray's beautiful Borchardt and Pete's request for detailed photos, the following are presented for your enjoyment:

Pete Ebbink · 11-30-2004, 06:50 PM

Thanks, Ron...

Very educational postings.

Looks like your wooden hold-open magazine/tool kit has not held open very many breechblocks !

I am afraid to see the Borchardt that belongs to your kit...I think I would just pass out... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

the gunman · 11-30-2004, 07:10 PM

Wonderful Wonderful I can only dream Of owning one of these. We gifted few.

Ron Wood · 11-30-2004, 07:20 PM

Pete,
The Borchardt that goes with the kit: (Image is thumbnailed - click for full size)

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/borchardt.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/borchardt.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Pete Ebbink · 12-01-2004, 12:19 PM

Thanks, Ron...what a treat to see !

Maybe...one day...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

lugerholsterrepair · 12-04-2004, 10:11 AM

WOW Ron! Spectacular! Thanks for the eye candy. Have you ever shot it? Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 12-04-2004, 12:09 PM

Jerry,
No, I havenÃ¢??t shot it, for several reasons. The piece is nearly mint, cased with stock, holster, extra mag and cleaning kit. The case is kind of neat. It is a bit ratty but it has Ã¢??HB 1893Ã¢?Â in gold leaf on the lower right hand corner of the top. HavenÃ¢??t seen another, but I heard of one.

Original ammo is hard to find and very expensive and collectable. The Borchardt round is essentially the same as the C96 Mauser (Mauser copied it), but the Mauser cartridge is too hot for the Borchardt. The risk of breaking a 110 year-old classic worth thousands of dollars is far too great for me. I am content to let it bask unfired in retirement.

RockinWR · 12-05-2004, 12:07 AM

Ron,
* I'd consider your cased Borchardt example close to a National Treasure.
* Thankfully it resides with a knowledgeable Member of impeciable discretion.
* Any thoughts on who "HB" might have been? Herr Borchardt has a nice ring to it, ja!!
* Thanks for sharing this with us!!
Respectfully,
Bob

Ron Wood · 12-05-2004, 02:24 PM

Bob,
To be honest, the name Hugo Borchardt did come to mind when I first saw the case. But lacking any further link to the inventor, neither the seller nor I attached any significance or dollar value to the marking. Although the lettering is aged and matches the overall condition of the case, it could have been added by anyone at any time during its history. Without provenance, the initials are just an interesting marking on the case.

P.S. - I am surprised that no one has risen to the challenge of identifying the third, and probably the most significant, difference between a Loewe and a DWM Borchardt.(see the thread on "My first Borchardt")

Big Norm · 12-11-2004, 01:43 AM

Holy Tamoley Ron!!! This is really neat. Thanks for the display.
Big Norm

11-30-2004, 03:17 PM	#1
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Borchardt "Cleaning Kit" With the interest generated by Murray's beautiful Borchardt and Pete's request for detailed photos, the following are presented for your enjoyment: __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-30-2004, 07:20 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Pete, The Borchardt that goes with the kit: (Image is thumbnailed - click for full size) <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/borchardt.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/borchardt.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-04-2004, 10:11 AM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	WOW Ron! Spectacular! Thanks for the eye candy. Have you ever shot it? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-04-2004, 12:09 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Jerry, No, I havenÃ¢??t shot it, for several reasons. The piece is nearly mint, cased with stock, holster, extra mag and cleaning kit. The case is kind of neat. It is a bit ratty but it has Ã¢??HB 1893Ã¢?Â in gold leaf on the lower right hand corner of the top. HavenÃ¢??t seen another, but I heard of one. Original ammo is hard to find and very expensive and collectable. The Borchardt round is essentially the same as the C96 Mauser (Mauser copied it), but the Mauser cartridge is too hot for the Borchardt. The risk of breaking a 110 year-old classic worth thousands of dollars is far too great for me. I am content to let it bask unfired in retirement. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-05-2004, 02:24 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Bob, To be honest, the name Hugo Borchardt did come to mind when I first saw the case. But lacking any further link to the inventor, neither the seller nor I attached any significance or dollar value to the marking. Although the lettering is aged and matches the overall condition of the case, it could have been added by anyone at any time during its history. Without provenance, the initials are just an interesting marking on the case. P.S. - I am surprised that no one has risen to the challenge of identifying the third, and probably the most significant, difference between a Loewe and a DWM Borchardt.(see the thread on "My first Borchardt") __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-30-2004, 06:50 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Ron... Very educational postings. Looks like your wooden hold-open magazine/tool kit has not held open very many breechblocks ! I am afraid to see the Borchardt that belongs to your kit...I think I would just pass out... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-30-2004, 07:10 PM	#3
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Wonderful Wonderful I can only dream Of owning one of these. We gifted few.

12-01-2004, 12:19 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Ron...what a treat to see ! Maybe...one day... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-05-2004, 12:07 AM	#8
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Ron, * I'd consider your cased Borchardt example close to a National Treasure. * Thankfully it resides with a knowledgeable Member of impeciable discretion. * Any thoughts on who "HB" might have been? Herr Borchardt has a nice ring to it, ja!! * Thanks for sharing this with us!! Respectfully, Bob

12-11-2004, 01:43 AM	#10
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Holy Tamoley Ron!!! This is really neat. Thanks for the display. Big Norm