COLT comes out with new guns!

Sergio Natali · 03-03-2016, 05:16 AM

I found this video, and although I realize that many of you already know about it, I thought it's nice to see COLT trying to get competitive on the gun market again.

Best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk-L...ature=youtu.be

Mac Cat · 03-03-2016, 10:04 AM

Kind of sad - like selling historical markers!

I have a 1911A1 and shoot it, just to mind me that some guns were just crude, heavy, and awkward. And, it's just as sensitive to magazine springs as the Luger.

When you put a Luger in your hand, you just know it was designed to work with human ergonomics in mind. It was carefully machined, assembled inspected, tested, and tweaked. Sure, Colt does all that, but not with the same degree of care and dedication.

I recognize it's probably the most popular and copied gun ever, but it's still an iron turd to me.

Why would anyone go to the trouble of designing a new semi without fitting for options or a lot of customization? Colt doesn't get the market and they deserve to go bankrupt. Colt not innovative and the don't seem to know their own market.

Colt doesn't cater to women and younger shooters. They don't care that their 1911 design is still a right handed gun! If nothing else, they could have made it more ambidextrous or just build a left-handed model.

A pig with lip-stick, is still a pig!

Sergio Natali · 03-03-2016, 11:02 AM

"... an iron turd" ?

Respectfully I disagree, still everyone to his taste.

Best.

alvin · 03-03-2016, 12:29 PM

Colt is a business without renovation. Other gunmakers have excellent new designs,,, Glock has Glock, FN has Five-Seven, Walther has PPQ, H&K has a bunch of things, etc, etc. But old Colt stucks on old Browning. I would think this business has no tomorrow, regardless its glory in the past. They can attract some collector activities based on nostalgia, but that market is too small to support its business size.

John Sabato · 03-03-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat

…it's just as sensitive to magazine springs as the Luger.!

Not in my personal experience spanning over 40 years. If my personal circumstances required me to carry a pistol for self defense, my one and only first choice would be the 1911A1. I carried one for over 20 years in the Army, and NEVER experienced a jam, even when it was dirty. I still carry one when necessary.

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat

When you put a Luger in your hand, you just know it was designed to work with human ergonomics in mind. It was carefully machined, assembled inspected, tested, and tweaked. Sure, Colt does all that, but not with the same degree of care and dedication.

I guess you are overlooking the fact that in addition to accuracy, the Colt was designed to function in all types of conditions. It was designed and manufactured to have interchangeable parts in case something broke… The Luger may have been hand fitted, but as you may recall, it FAILED the 1907 pistol trials to be the standard pistol of the U.S. Armed Forces.

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat

I recognize it's probably the most popular and copied gun ever

Have you asked yourself WHY? Because it is the most reliable automatic pistol ever manufactured. It has a proven 70+ year combat history. It requires no re-design. You can add bells and whistles to it if you so desire, or carry it as manufactured (As I did, and do)… and know when the safety is on, it won’t accidently fire, and when the safety is off, it will reliably defend you.

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat

Why would anyone go to the trouble of designing a new semi without fitting for options or a lot of customization? … Colt doesn't get the market and they deserve to go bankrupt. Colt (is) not innovative and the don't seem to know their own market. … Colt doesn't cater to women and younger shooters. They don't care that their 1911 design is still a right handed gun! If nothing else, they could have made it more ambidextrous or just build a left-handed model.

Maybe because the aftermarket is saturated with modifications and accessories for the world’s most popular pistol to allow you to customize the basic gun to your needs or tastes, and there is no money to be made there because there is not much chance for profit with all those competitors. Colt focuses on what they do best. Colt is the standard by which all other 1911A1 wannabees are compared and judged. The pistol market is flooded with modern plastic guns in all sizes and shapes to meet any taste, but to be competitive in that market would drain resources without much expectation of recouping their return on the investment…

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat

...A pig with lip-stick, is still a pig!

Last time I looked, Revlon and Max Factor aren’t marketing lipstick for pigs… they target their specialized market and hope to make a profit… I think Colt is doing the same.

Just my $0.02

pilch303 · 03-03-2016, 06:46 PM

I tend to agree with alvin. Here in australia I haven't seen a colt on the shooting line for years. They have been replaced by better quality pistols with better factory features.......but still based on the 1911. If a shooter wants a nice target pistol they go with sti manufactured 1911 and 2011 designs. Colt need to start moving with the times not trying to live in the good old days.

Sergio Natali · 03-04-2016, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Cat

Kind of sad - like selling historical markers!

I have a 1911A1 and shoot it, just to mind me that some guns were just crude, heavy, and awkward. And, it's just as sensitive to magazine springs as the Luger.

When you put a Luger in your hand, you just know it was designed to work with human ergonomics in mind. It was carefully machined, assembled inspected, tested, and tweaked. Sure, Colt does all that, but not with the same degree of care and dedication.

I recognize it's probably the most popular and copied gun ever, but it's still an iron turd to me.

Why would anyone go to the trouble of designing a new semi without fitting for options or a lot of customization? Colt doesn't get the market and they deserve to go bankrupt.

Colt not innovative and the don't seem to know their own market.

Colt doesn't cater to women and younger shooters. They don't care that their 1911 design is still a right handed gun! If nothing else, they could have made it more ambidextrous or just build a left-handed model.

A pig with lip-stick, is still a pig!

Sorry but I preferred to wait some time before answering, just one line anyway, I mean, if one doesn't like COLT it's allright, just stay away from it, and please don't shoot a COLT 1911, which after all represent a piece of your history.
Why should one stoop to silly lies and try to ruin one of the few truly iconic gunmakers left in your Country?
I can't understand it.

Best regards.

rhuff · 03-04-2016, 02:50 PM

To each his own.....but when I look around at my assortment of handguns, I seem to find quite a number of COLT 1911s!! They make very regular trips to the range, and can be found on my hip from time to time as a CCW. I know that if called upon, it will function without hesitation.

I am most interested in handling/evaluating the new Colt lightweight Commander in 9mm. I fear that that one may well follow me home!!

Again, one's man junk is another man's treasure.

alvin · 03-04-2016, 05:17 PM

US economy is more and more leaning towards capital manipulation. Less and less depends on solid industry. Nowadays, if saying a good job, every kid knows those financial guys making good income. Virtual industry + money playing, wonderful. In the longer run, I think there is a problem. But God knows, heard of "4th industrial revolution is coming"? In future, most work will be done by robots anyway.

Probably, no reason to worry about Colt. That's yesterday's industry. High tech is still in the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY

wlyon · 03-04-2016, 08:04 PM

Alvin
High tec may be here but that does not mean better. I go to a gun show these days and look at all the plastic weird looking pistols and rifles. Then I see an old worn Colt. My first thought is now that was when they knew how to build firearms. To me there is not much interesting in all the plastic and black guns. Probably an age thing but we used to have quality. Bill

Patronen · 03-05-2016, 07:22 AM

I don't think you will see anything radical from Colt in the near future. It looks like they are sticking to what has been selling on the market like the 1911 than building something they will hope will sell. The all American 2000 from the early 90's come to mind. The Colt company of today doesn't seem to be taking those high stakes gambles with their products like the days of the past.

lawrence · 03-05-2016, 09:27 PM

Douglas Jr. · 03-11-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wlyon

To me there is not much interesting in all the plastic and black guns. Probably an age thing but we used to have quality. Bill

No, Bill, not "an age thing" - just good taste.

03-03-2016, 05:16 AM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	COLT comes out with new guns! I found this video, and although I realize that many of you already know about it, I thought it's nice to see COLT trying to get competitive on the gun market again. Best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk-L...ature=youtu.be __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	"... an iron turd" ? Respectfully I disagree, still everyone to his taste. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Alvin High tec may be here but that does not mean better. I go to a gun show these days and look at all the plastic weird looking pistols and rifles. Then I see an old worn Colt. My first thought is now that was when they knew how to build firearms. To me there is not much interesting in all the plastic and black guns. Probably an age thing but we used to have quality. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-05-2016, 07:22 AM	#11
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	I don't think you will see anything radical from Colt in the near future. It looks like they are sticking to what has been selling on the market like the 1911 than building something they will hope will sell. The all American 2000 from the early 90's come to mind. The Colt company of today doesn't seem to be taking those high stakes gambles with their products like the days of the past. __________________ Dave

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lawrence User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ky Posts: 39 Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	I'm kinda fond of'em Attached Thumbnails

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Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 749 Thanks: 2,154 Thanked 629 Times in 339 Posts	Kind of sad - like selling historical markers! I have a 1911A1 and shoot it, just to mind me that some guns were just crude, heavy, and awkward. And, it's just as sensitive to magazine springs as the Luger. When you put a Luger in your hand, you just know it was designed to work with human ergonomics in mind. It was carefully machined, assembled inspected, tested, and tweaked. Sure, Colt does all that, but not with the same degree of care and dedication. I recognize it's probably the most popular and copied gun ever, but it's still an iron turd to me. Why would anyone go to the trouble of designing a new semi without fitting for options or a lot of customization? Colt doesn't get the market and they deserve to go bankrupt. Colt not innovative and the don't seem to know their own market. Colt doesn't cater to women and younger shooters. They don't care that their 1911 design is still a right handed gun! If nothing else, they could have made it more ambidextrous or just build a left-handed model. A pig with lip-stick, is still a pig!

03-03-2016, 12:29 PM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Colt is a business without renovation. Other gunmakers have excellent new designs,,, Glock has Glock, FN has Five-Seven, Walther has PPQ, H&K has a bunch of things, etc, etc. But old Colt stucks on old Browning. I would think this business has no tomorrow, regardless its glory in the past. They can attract some collector activities based on nostalgia, but that market is too small to support its business size.

03-03-2016, 06:46 PM	#6
pilch303 User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 7 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 1 Post	I tend to agree with alvin. Here in australia I haven't seen a colt on the shooting line for years. They have been replaced by better quality pistols with better factory features.......but still based on the 1911. If a shooter wants a nice target pistol they go with sti manufactured 1911 and 2011 designs. Colt need to start moving with the times not trying to live in the good old days.

03-04-2016, 02:50 PM	#8
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,305 Thanks: 2,735 Thanked 991 Times in 727 Posts	To each his own.....but when I look around at my assortment of handguns, I seem to find quite a number of COLT 1911s!! They make very regular trips to the range, and can be found on my hip from time to time as a CCW. I know that if called upon, it will function without hesitation. I am most interested in handling/evaluating the new Colt lightweight Commander in 9mm. I fear that that one may well follow me home!! Again, one's man junk is another man's treasure.

03-04-2016, 05:17 PM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	US economy is more and more leaning towards capital manipulation. Less and less depends on solid industry. Nowadays, if saying a good job, every kid knows those financial guys making good income. Virtual industry + money playing, wonderful. In the longer run, I think there is a problem. But God knows, heard of "4th industrial revolution is coming"? In future, most work will be done by robots anyway. Probably, no reason to worry about Colt. That's yesterday's industry. High tech is still in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY