1936 Krieghoff Luftwaffe Info and Appraisal

TrevorW · 10-13-2014, 06:40 PM

I recently inherited a 1936 Krieghoff Suhl P08 from my grandfather who took it off a dead German and kept it in a drawer for seventy years. Thus it hasn't been altered (nor maintained) in any way. I'm interested in discerning the quality as well as how much I might expect to sell it for if I decide to part with it. The piece has all matching serial numbers including the mag and has a holster as well (holster appears to have the strap replaced though). As someone with no experience rating guns I'm not sure what the quality is like but it seems to be in decent condition, although I've resisted the temptation to fire it. Any info/education is much appreciated. More pics available if desired.

cirelaw · 10-13-2014, 07:05 PM

Trevor a Fine Piece!! I own a 1937 duel mag. The early pieces are great and finest quality. I believe they were part of a 10K run! Ordered for the German airforce by old Herman. The marked takedown key are some of the rarest! I would look for a correct Kriegoff holster that is all black including the thread with a proof mark on the inside. A real pretty with a familial anchestry~ Gramps had good taste! Great prewar piece that will only increase in value~ Ps Don't fire it` Find a less value shooter~~ Eric

Mike B · 10-13-2014, 09:23 PM

Trevor,
You have inherited what just about every Luger collector dreams about. A 1936 Krieghoff in the condition of the one you have is worth somewhere around $4000.00 - $6,000.00 depending on hands on examination. Add a matched mag with the proper tool and holster, you can bump it up to near $7000.00 or $8,000.00 in the right auction. Just clean it with a soft oil cloth and keep it out of the holster. Congratulations,
Mike

Michael Zeleny · 10-13-2014, 09:36 PM

Recent auction sales of comparable HK Lugers have ranged between $4,000 and $14,000. I recommend registering at icollector.com and invaluable.com and searching their databases for more information.

cirelaw · 10-13-2014, 09:48 PM

Legacy has one for $7500~ Eric http://www.legacy-collectibles.com/1...-magazine.html Yours is in much better shape and the capture bumps it a maybe 10%, Eric

TrevorW · 10-13-2014, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Trevor a Fine Piece!! I own a 1937 duel mag. The early pieces are great and finest quality. I believe they were part of a 10K run! Ordered for the German airforce by old Herman. The marked takedown key are some of the rarest! I would look for a correct Kriegoff holster that is all black including the thread with a proof mark on the inside. A real pretty with a familial anchestry~ Gramps had good taste! Great prewar piece that will only increase in value~ Ps Don't fire it` Find a less value shooter~~ Eric

Thanks Eric. So if this isn't the Krieghoff holster, would you be able to identify it by the proof mark?

cirelaw · 10-13-2014, 10:41 PM

I will post mine tommorow! It deserves the finest!

cirelaw · 10-13-2014, 10:53 PM

Found it!

Sergio Natali · 10-14-2014, 03:16 AM

Trevor, your photos make me dribble...

jokes apart, don't waste it, from the pictures it looks quite a nice piece, congraulations.

Sergio

Edward Tinker · 10-14-2014, 09:19 AM

In ref to the capture, it only adds value if you have capture paperwork, i.e, sme proof it was brought home, most capture paperwork has disappeared, got lost or damaged or is fake.

I would think the $6500-$7500 if all matching is correct. Is there an extra mag in the pouch or tool?

Unless you need the money, or have no interest in guns, it might be best to keep it....

Ed

mrerick · 10-14-2014, 09:28 AM

Trevor, welcome to the forum. First, I'm sorry for the loss of your grandfather, and thankful for his service.

You have a rare and sought after variation of luger in what appears to be very high condition.

This is a collectible firearm. With the correct holster, matched magazine and tool it is even more rare.

Absolutely do not fire it. A broken part would considerably affect it's value.

As mentioned, don't store it in the holster, and don't do anything that would alter it or it's condition. Much of it's high value is in it's original condition.

Lugerdoc · 10-14-2014, 10:11 AM

You might want to inquire as to which is the scarcer chamber date for a 1936 made KH: S code is most common, then 1936, finally just 36. TH

cirelaw · 10-14-2014, 11:10 AM

According to Randall~ 1936 serial range 4,400 to 7,500 Estimated production#2.900~ Eric

10-13-2014, 06:40 PM	#1
TrevorW New User Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	1936 Krieghoff Luftwaffe Info and Appraisal I recently inherited a 1936 Krieghoff Suhl P08 from my grandfather who took it off a dead German and kept it in a drawer for seventy years. Thus it hasn't been altered (nor maintained) in any way. I'm interested in discerning the quality as well as how much I might expect to sell it for if I decide to part with it. The piece has all matching serial numbers including the mag and has a holster as well (holster appears to have the strap replaced though). As someone with no experience rating guns I'm not sure what the quality is like but it seems to be in decent condition, although I've resisted the temptation to fire it. Any info/education is much appreciated. More pics available if desired. Attached Thumbnails

10-13-2014, 09:36 PM	#4
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 139 Times in 76 Posts	Recent auction sales of comparable HK Lugers have ranged between $4,000 and $14,000. I recommend registering at icollector.com and invaluable.com and searching their databases for more information. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

10-13-2014, 10:53 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Found it! Attached Thumbnails

10-14-2014, 03:16 AM	#9
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Trevor, your photos make me dribble... jokes apart, don't waste it, from the pictures it looks quite a nice piece, congraulations. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-14-2014, 09:19 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	In ref to the capture, it only adds value if you have capture paperwork, i.e, sme proof it was brought home, most capture paperwork has disappeared, got lost or damaged or is fake. I would think the $6500-$7500 if all matching is correct. Is there an extra mag in the pouch or tool? Unless you need the money, or have no interest in guns, it might be best to keep it.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-13-2014, 07:05 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Trevor a Fine Piece!! I own a 1937 duel mag. The early pieces are great and finest quality. I believe they were part of a 10K run! Ordered for the German airforce by old Herman. The marked takedown key are some of the rarest! I would look for a correct Kriegoff holster that is all black including the thread with a proof mark on the inside. A real pretty with a familial anchestry~ Gramps had good taste! Great prewar piece that will only increase in value~ Ps Don't fire it` Find a less value shooter~~ Eric

10-13-2014, 09:23 PM	#3
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	Trevor, You have inherited what just about every Luger collector dreams about. A 1936 Krieghoff in the condition of the one you have is worth somewhere around $4000.00 - $6,000.00 depending on hands on examination. Add a matched mag with the proper tool and holster, you can bump it up to near $7000.00 or $8,000.00 in the right auction. Just clean it with a soft oil cloth and keep it out of the holster. Congratulations, Mike

10-13-2014, 09:48 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Legacy has one for $7500~ Eric http://www.legacy-collectibles.com/1...-magazine.html Yours is in much better shape and the capture bumps it a maybe 10%, Eric

10-13-2014, 10:41 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I will post mine tommorow! It deserves the finest!

10-14-2014, 09:28 AM	#11
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Trevor, welcome to the forum. First, I'm sorry for the loss of your grandfather, and thankful for his service. You have a rare and sought after variation of luger in what appears to be very high condition. This is a collectible firearm. With the correct holster, matched magazine and tool it is even more rare. Absolutely do not fire it. A broken part would considerably affect it's value. As mentioned, don't store it in the holster, and don't do anything that would alter it or it's condition. Much of it's high value is in it's original condition. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-14-2014, 10:11 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	You might want to inquire as to which is the scarcer chamber date for a 1936 made KH: S code is most common, then 1936, finally just 36. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-14-2014, 11:10 AM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	According to Randall~ 1936 serial range 4,400 to 7,500 Estimated production#2.900~ Eric