Horn for buttstocks

angelgard · 12-05-2013, 03:47 PM

News to me. If so, then he must be working on my Navy rear sight down there! (lol). Just got an email advising me that he is finishing it up now and I should be receiving it "any day". Frankly, I don't care if he does it Florida, Eastern PA or Eastern Europe.

Incidentally, Lugerman (alleged warts and all) is a very gifted guy. Made sights and barrels for my carbine projects on a reasonable schedule and they are superb. Certainly no greater patience required to get along with him than when working in the past with with an older and better known, very talented smith who has cut and welded baby frames and barrels for me, etc, while maintaining a lower profile than Eugene with respect to provoking whiners (of which I can be accused of being, too, I suppose).

A need for patience, it seems, goes with the territoy, whether one be dealing with an artisan whose talents are in short supply, whether one is building a house or playing with Lugers.

Now if anyone out in Lugerland can refer me to a good TIG-welder who has some holes in his schedule, I have a few interesting jobs for him/her/it....

Gizmo

gizmo · 12-05-2013, 10:19 PM

Mea Culpa, Ed!

As you have apparently surmised, when I experienced that sign on roadblock a month or so ago, (in retrospect, possibly related to IOS6 brainf..t on the Ipad prior to updating to IOS7), and prior to your kind intervention on my behalf resulting in prompt resolution of the issue, as a stop gap measure, I had perhaps misguidedly, expedited access to the Forum by registering my wife (Angelgard...i.e., Angela Gardner) .

Once Gizmo was up and running again, I naively assumed that Angelgard's activity on the site was now a thing of the past. Unfortunately, the Chrome Browser on my PC never got that message and apparently I inadvertently remained logged into the site continuously as Angelgard whenever I utilized that box for access to the site, as opposed to my Ipad or netbook.

Nobody knew nor cared...until I had the temerity to reply to a thread, unbeknown to me using my alter ego.
That's all fixed now. Again, I apologize for the confusion.

As for the comments about the appropriateness of my choice of moniker: It dates back to my original sign on a decade ago as Gizmo, a shortened version of my then email address (Gizmomang@aol.com). It had no special meaning to me then, nor does it now. I am not wed to it. If folks find it awkward to deal with, I'll just use my given name in threads, or perhaps, they might find Angelgard preferable...or even something like Angelgard-gizmo! (lol)

Whatever works, works. Your call and thanks again for keeping me wired.

Morris Gardner aka Gizmo, husband of Angela Gardner (angelgard)

Edward Tinker · 12-05-2013, 10:21 PM

I just couldn't figure out where I had heard gizmo yet diff sign on

gizmo · 12-06-2013, 08:26 PM

Can't speak for Eugene, but I'm trying to source some buffalo horn to carve one or two buttplates for my projects, just like those applied to some of early DWM's.

Gizmo/Angelgard (lol)

gizmo · 12-06-2013, 08:28 PM

PS...early DWM's...in fact, all the original I have seen...or seen pictures of, never had a log on the buttplate. Again, can't speak for Eugene...Maybe I'll use my Forum logon moniker...just don't know which one (s) ....lol

Gizmo

gizmo · 12-06-2013, 08:32 PM

correction...using bluetooooooooooooth keyboooard on Ipad that has decided to go selective fire intermittently on its own. I meaaannnnnnnnt LOGO...not "log" on bbuttstock.

giiiizmoo

cirelaw · 12-06-2013, 08:46 PM

A possible source!http://www.midwayusa.com/product/297...e-buffalo-horn Eric

gizmo · 12-06-2013, 11:06 PM

Many thanks, amigo...

Three of them promised in my mailbox by 12/16..if they are as good as they look, thick enough for my needs, and manageable to work without pulling my hair out, I'll not only keep them...I'll order two more while they are still in stock.

Midway Sales can often come up with pleasant surprises re:relatively obscure needs...these for instance, as well as two different kinds of Manlicher caps that I found several months ago
when nobody else had anything like it. Were a bit rough and in the white of course, but that was fine with me since I needed to cobble them considerably anyway for my applications.anyway.

Gizmo

ithacaartist · 12-07-2013, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

A possible source!http://www.midwayusa.com/product/297...e-buffalo-horn Eric

Seems like a good price when facing cutting a chunk of horn, boiling until soft, pressing to cool and dry flat, then shaping.

cirelaw · 12-07-2013, 07:53 AM

Me and my big mouth! Since posting I attempted to order one and they are now out of stock!!!!

gizmo · 12-07-2013, 10:09 AM

Gee, have I got a deal for you!....

All kidding aside, once I get them, I'll try one and if it comes out well, will then decide what my final needs will be. If I don't use all three, will send one , at least, to you as your finder's fee, on the house...How's that for being a big talker?

Seems from the above you have experience working with horn? I have not done so, of course, but will learn about it soon. obviously. Naively, I thought it would work just like some kind of composite.

Whatever it takes...will give it a try.

gizmo

Edward Tinker · 12-07-2013, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Seems like a good price when facing cutting a chunk of horn, boiling until soft, pressing to cool and dry flat, then shaping.

yes, I have made walking sticks, got into it - the Scottish ones I bought with horn seemed easy, but working with horn is not easy !

But if you take your time, the effort is excellent - I never got good at it, used antler for walking stick handles instead

cirelaw · 12-15-2013, 09:42 AM

Just wondering!! What was the longest thread?

gizmo · 12-15-2013, 10:10 AM

Probably doesn't ease Circlaw's disappointment to hear this, but I almost missed the boat, too. I had ordered 3 in response to his kind tip, but only two arrived. Obviously, I was the last order in the pile, which is better than my usual luck.

Incidentally, the quality is outstanding....and most certainly large enough and thick enough for any stock application...Will post picks of before and after eventually...when there is an "after", that is.

Just wish I had 3 more!

DavidJayUden · 12-15-2013, 10:44 AM

Buffalo horn trim has been used for years and years on British shotguns, rifles, etc, and should be available from a number of different sources. Don't limit yourself to Midway USA.
Brownell's?
dju

cirelaw · 12-15-2013, 11:25 AM

Thanks! The original were precut and would have been perfect for my carbine! I thank both of you for your suggestions. I guess I'll have to be buttless for now!!!!!!! Eric!

gizmo · 12-15-2013, 11:42 AM

Thank you everyone!...

Will try one first. Will coating or impregnating it with something like boiled linseed after final fit and polishing deal with potential moisture issue?

l

ithacaartist · 12-15-2013, 03:53 PM

The oil should seal it up somewhat, as well as bring out the color, but I'd still be careful where and how it's stored.

gizmo · 12-15-2013, 04:03 PM

Thanks...

Will come up with something, with a bit of luck. 'Not trying to reinvent the wheel here hopefully...

Green57 · 12-16-2013, 05:27 AM

cirelaw,

If you are looking for horn perhaps these guys can help...

http://www.handicraft-vn.com/shop/bu...ank-c-144.html

Just another option if your search doesn't turn up something.

G57

12-05-2013, 03:47 PM	#1
angelgard New User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Horn for buttstocks News to me. If so, then he must be working on my Navy rear sight down there! (lol). Just got an email advising me that he is finishing it up now and I should be receiving it "any day". Frankly, I don't care if he does it Florida, Eastern PA or Eastern Europe. Incidentally, Lugerman (alleged warts and all) is a very gifted guy. Made sights and barrels for my carbine projects on a reasonable schedule and they are superb. Certainly no greater patience required to get along with him than when working in the past with with an older and better known, very talented smith who has cut and welded baby frames and barrels for me, etc, while maintaining a lower profile than Eugene with respect to provoking whiners (of which I can be accused of being, too, I suppose). A need for patience, it seems, goes with the territoy, whether one be dealing with an artisan whose talents are in short supply, whether one is building a house or playing with Lugers. Now if anyone out in Lugerland can refer me to a good TIG-welder who has some holes in his schedule, I have a few interesting jobs for him/her/it.... Gizmo

12-05-2013, 10:19 PM	#2
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	gizmo/angelgard conundrum Mea Culpa, Ed! As you have apparently surmised, when I experienced that sign on roadblock a month or so ago, (in retrospect, possibly related to IOS6 brainf..t on the Ipad prior to updating to IOS7), and prior to your kind intervention on my behalf resulting in prompt resolution of the issue, as a stop gap measure, I had perhaps misguidedly, expedited access to the Forum by registering my wife (Angelgard...i.e., Angela Gardner) . Once Gizmo was up and running again, I naively assumed that Angelgard's activity on the site was now a thing of the past. Unfortunately, the Chrome Browser on my PC never got that message and apparently I inadvertently remained logged into the site continuously as Angelgard whenever I utilized that box for access to the site, as opposed to my Ipad or netbook. Nobody knew nor cared...until I had the temerity to reply to a thread, unbeknown to me using my alter ego. That's all fixed now. Again, I apologize for the confusion. As for the comments about the appropriateness of my choice of moniker: It dates back to my original sign on a decade ago as Gizmo, a shortened version of my then email address (Gizmomang@aol.com). It had no special meaning to me then, nor does it now. I am not wed to it. If folks find it awkward to deal with, I'll just use my given name in threads, or perhaps, they might find Angelgard preferable...or even something like Angelgard-gizmo! (lol) Whatever works, works. Your call and thanks again for keeping me wired. Morris Gardner aka Gizmo, husband of Angela Gardner (angelgard)

12-06-2013, 11:06 PM	#8
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	source for buffalo horn grips Many thanks, amigo... Three of them promised in my mailbox by 12/16..if they are as good as they look, thick enough for my needs, and manageable to work without pulling my hair out, I'll not only keep them...I'll order two more while they are still in stock. Midway Sales can often come up with pleasant surprises re:relatively obscure needs...these for instance, as well as two different kinds of Manlicher caps that I found several months ago when nobody else had anything like it. Were a bit rough and in the white of course, but that was fine with me since I needed to cobble them considerably anyway for my applications.anyway. Gizmo

12-07-2013, 10:09 AM	#11
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	buffalo buttplates Gee, have I got a deal for you!.... All kidding aside, once I get them, I'll try one and if it comes out well, will then decide what my final needs will be. If I don't use all three, will send one , at least, to you as your finder's fee, on the house...How's that for being a big talker? Seems from the above you have experience working with horn? I have not done so, of course, but will learn about it soon. obviously. Naively, I thought it would work just like some kind of composite. Whatever it takes...will give it a try. gizmo

12-15-2013, 10:10 AM	#14
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: buffalo horn buttplate blanks from Midway Probably doesn't ease Circlaw's disappointment to hear this, but I almost missed the boat, too. I had ordered 3 in response to his kind tip, but only two arrived. Obviously, I was the last order in the pile, which is better than my usual luck. Incidentally, the quality is outstanding....and most certainly large enough and thick enough for any stock application...Will post picks of before and after eventually...when there is an "after", that is. Just wish I had 3 more!

12-05-2013, 10:21 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I just couldn't figure out where I had heard gizmo yet diff sign on

12-06-2013, 08:26 PM	#4
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Can't speak for Eugene, but I'm trying to source some buffalo horn to carve one or two buttplates for my projects, just like those applied to some of early DWM's. Gizmo/Angelgard (lol)

12-06-2013, 08:28 PM	#5
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	PS...early DWM's...in fact, all the original I have seen...or seen pictures of, never had a log on the buttplate. Again, can't speak for Eugene...Maybe I'll use my Forum logon moniker...just don't know which one (s) ....lol Gizmo

12-06-2013, 08:32 PM	#6
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	correction...using bluetooooooooooooth keyboooard on Ipad that has decided to go selective fire intermittently on its own. I meaaannnnnnnnt LOGO...not "log" on bbuttstock. giiiizmoo

12-06-2013, 08:46 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A possible source!http://www.midwayusa.com/product/297...e-buffalo-horn Eric

12-07-2013, 07:53 AM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Me and my big mouth! Since posting I attempted to order one and they are now out of stock!!!!

12-15-2013, 09:42 AM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Just wondering!! What was the longest thread?

12-15-2013, 10:44 AM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Buffalo horn trim has been used for years and years on British shotguns, rifles, etc, and should be available from a number of different sources. Don't limit yourself to Midway USA. Brownell's? dju

12-15-2013, 11:25 AM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thanks! The original were precut and would have been perfect for my carbine! I thank both of you for your suggestions. I guess I'll have to be buttless for now!!!!!!! Eric!

12-15-2013, 11:42 AM	#17
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Butts, etc.(lol) Thank you everyone!... Will try one first. Will coating or impregnating it with something like boiled linseed after final fit and polishing deal with potential moisture issue? l

12-15-2013, 03:53 PM	#18
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,289 Thanks: 7,043 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	The oil should seal it up somewhat, as well as bring out the color, but I'd still be careful where and how it's stored. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

12-15-2013, 04:03 PM	#19
gizmo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks... Will come up with something, with a bit of luck. 'Not trying to reinvent the wheel here hopefully...

12-16-2013, 05:27 AM	#20
Green57 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	cirelaw, If you are looking for horn perhaps these guys can help... http://www.handicraft-vn.com/shop/bu...ank-c-144.html Just another option if your search doesn't turn up something. G57 Last edited by Green57; 12-16-2013 at 03:42 PM.