P-08 stamped N.Z. New Zealand?

Broomhandle c96 · 02-18-2013, 11:29 PM

Two weeks ago I came in to p-08 w/ holster, 2 mags and no tool.
The Luger is a byf, 41.W/ wood gripes. W/ wuffen stamps #655. The holster has a name in side the flap, SQ/L. K.F. Vare. RNZAF.
SQ/L. Vare, was KIA over Berlin Jan.1or2,1944 in a Lancaster with his hole crew (Hero's All R.I.P.) He also served in the Mediterranean, No.Africa,flying Wellingtons and Far East flying Liberators.
During my research I found the New Zealand arms Register,web site. Yes the RNZAF did issued Officers of Aerodromes,WWI and WWII Lugers.
My question is did they stamp the back of handle N.Z. For New Zealand? Also the number 83 appears stamped under the N.Z. It doesn't match any other numbers on the gun.
Just as soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will, in the next few days!! Thanks, Rick.

Edward Tinker · 02-19-2013, 01:50 AM

welcome to the forum Rick

would love to see photo's

was a bit unsure about the info you stated, was that facts that you'd heard or conjecture?

Ed

Broomhandle c96 · 02-19-2013, 03:30 AM

Thank you, Ed for looking at my post.
What I have found, I spent a lot of time researching on the web and some monetary outlay to get SQ/L.Vare, service record form the UK. At www.forces-war-records.co.uk. All I did was google his name and got 6 or 8 hits. Ed if you like to see a picture of SQ/L.K.F.Vare, go to Flickr.com (Image Ref: A06376P) He will be sitting
With his crew in front a Wellington bomber. Ed looks like I will be buying your book, looks likes a good one!
Thanks, Rick.

Broomhandle c96 · 02-23-2013, 01:57 PM

I have photos on page 17 of all albums. Please let me know if you need more?
Thanks, Rick

Broomhandle c96 · 03-05-2013, 02:53 PM

I found on (just answer. Firearms) Customer question,submitted 726 days ago. I am looking at a Luger 42 date that appears to have matching all over. But the frame has N Z stamped on it between the wooden grips. I have not been able N Z with the number 3 under N Z means?
(Just answer. Firearms Expert Bill) did not really know. (Firearms expert Tom308) I think he was headed in the right direction.(and I quote Tom308) I believe the NZ is for New Zealand and nothing else. The gun may have been in that country at one time. After 3.5 hours of research, it is all I can come up with. I know that Germany marked all of their handguns for each unit and where they stationed during WWII, but I couldn't find any NZ unit marks.
I thank TOM308 for his research. Now back to my research, I'v been in contact with an assistant curator at the RNZAF Air Museum, in Christchurch. They have LUGERS! In their collection. And he's going to look at them for me.
Rick

Broomhandle c96 · 03-05-2013, 07:17 PM

Will do. ASAP if they send any. But I did ask nicely and I have found New Zealanders are very helpful lot of good folks.
My pic's of my Luger now page 18, of all albums.
Rick.

Broomhandle c96 · 05-08-2013, 01:28 AM

Broomhandle c96 · 05-08-2013, 10:48 PM

Last Sunday I got an email from Military Memorabilia Ltd. in Auckland New Zealand.www.milimem.com email medals@ihug.co.nz This is the email,(and I quote)I would like feed back please.
Hi Rick,
Nice to hear from you with details about your recent purchase.
Over the years,I have seen only one Luger and one P38 with New Zealand issue stamps.
It is my understanding that due to a shortage of weapons,these guns were officially issued to New Zealand troops(probably officers)
Serving in North Africa during 1941 and 1942.
I have no idea how many we're issued, but my guess would be no more then a hundred or so,if that.
I hope this information is some help to you.
Kind regards, Geoff. (Thank for looking Rick)

Edward Tinker · 05-08-2013, 11:46 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=478

That is easier than trying to track down an album.

02-18-2013, 11:29 PM	#1
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P-08 stamped N.Z. New Zealand? Two weeks ago I came in to p-08 w/ holster, 2 mags and no tool. The Luger is a byf, 41.W/ wood gripes. W/ wuffen stamps #655. The holster has a name in side the flap, SQ/L. K.F. Vare. RNZAF. SQ/L. Vare, was KIA over Berlin Jan.1or2,1944 in a Lancaster with his hole crew (Hero's All R.I.P.) He also served in the Mediterranean, No.Africa,flying Wellingtons and Far East flying Liberators. During my research I found the New Zealand arms Register,web site. Yes the RNZAF did issued Officers of Aerodromes,WWI and WWII Lugers. My question is did they stamp the back of handle N.Z. For New Zealand? Also the number 83 appears stamped under the N.Z. It doesn't match any other numbers on the gun. Just as soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will, in the next few days!! Thanks, Rick.

02-19-2013, 01:50 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	welcome to the forum Rick would love to see photo's was a bit unsure about the info you stated, was that facts that you'd heard or conjecture? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-08-2013, 01:28 AM	#7
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Last edited by Broomhandle c96; 05-08-2013 at 09:54 PM.

05-08-2013, 11:46 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=478 That is easier than trying to track down an album. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-19-2013, 03:30 AM	#3
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you, Ed for looking at my post. What I have found, I spent a lot of time researching on the web and some monetary outlay to get SQ/L.Vare, service record form the UK. At www.forces-war-records.co.uk. All I did was google his name and got 6 or 8 hits. Ed if you like to see a picture of SQ/L.K.F.Vare, go to Flickr.com (Image Ref: A06376P) He will be sitting With his crew in front a Wellington bomber. Ed looks like I will be buying your book, looks likes a good one! Thanks, Rick.

02-23-2013, 01:57 PM	#4
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have photos on page 17 of all albums. Please let me know if you need more? Thanks, Rick

03-05-2013, 02:53 PM	#5
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I found on (just answer. Firearms) Customer question,submitted 726 days ago. I am looking at a Luger 42 date that appears to have matching all over. But the frame has N Z stamped on it between the wooden grips. I have not been able N Z with the number 3 under N Z means? (Just answer. Firearms Expert Bill) did not really know. (Firearms expert Tom308) I think he was headed in the right direction.(and I quote Tom308) I believe the NZ is for New Zealand and nothing else. The gun may have been in that country at one time. After 3.5 hours of research, it is all I can come up with. I know that Germany marked all of their handguns for each unit and where they stationed during WWII, but I couldn't find any NZ unit marks. I thank TOM308 for his research. Now back to my research, I'v been in contact with an assistant curator at the RNZAF Air Museum, in Christchurch. They have LUGERS! In their collection. And he's going to look at them for me. Rick

03-05-2013, 07:17 PM	#6
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Will do. ASAP if they send any. But I did ask nicely and I have found New Zealanders are very helpful lot of good folks. My pic's of my Luger now page 18, of all albums. Rick.

05-08-2013, 10:48 PM	#8
Broomhandle c96 User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eugene,Oregon. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Last Sunday I got an email from Military Memorabilia Ltd. in Auckland New Zealand.www.milimem.com email medals@ihug.co.nz This is the email,(and I quote)I would like feed back please. Hi Rick, Nice to hear from you with details about your recent purchase. Over the years,I have seen only one Luger and one P38 with New Zealand issue stamps. It is my understanding that due to a shortage of weapons,these guns were officially issued to New Zealand troops(probably officers) Serving in North Africa during 1941 and 1942. I have no idea how many we're issued, but my guess would be no more then a hundred or so,if that. I hope this information is some help to you. Kind regards, Geoff. (Thank for looking Rick)