My experience with Eugene, the lugerman

CAP Black · 12-21-2012, 08:56 PM

I read much about the complaints about Eugene for a year or more. Well, I ordered a 1920 makeover into a carbine back in March. He basically said he felt that he would get it done in 12 months - the normal promised time. Most of the time, he answered my e-mails; inquiring of the progress. But a few times he didn't. I never growled at him and never complained. I treated him with respect and as a customer would a talented vendor-craftsman.
Guess what? A week or so ago, he e-mailed me and said he might have it for me in 3 or 4 days. On Sunday he said it was finished. I went to his place (350 miles) and picked it up on Wednesday. It's a beaut.
See some pictures attached.

Edward Tinker · 12-21-2012, 09:12 PM

Very cool, a carbine is high on my listing.

I am glad he got it to you 'early' although his normal promise time of 12 months seems like a long time to me

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 12-21-2012, 09:27 PM

Ed, yeah..the older you get the longer it is..less time to enjoy it I guess? Does look like a beauty.

cirelaw · 12-21-2012, 09:33 PM

Jerry, thats a brilliant observation! I have to rearrange my priorities! I'm interested to find out if it was serial numbered and if so what is it? Do all firearms require one?

CAP Black · 12-21-2012, 10:15 PM

The serial number is: 9086 n; if it matters.
Jack

cirelaw · 12-21-2012, 10:32 PM

Thank You! I am very happy that you are happy! Nice stocking stuffer!

Savidio44 · 12-21-2012, 10:44 PM

My experience with talented craftsmen is the same as yours. It is best to let them do what they are good at and not be concerned so much about the other items. Given the choice between a great restoration of a piece of history or an excellent communication series, I can assure you I want the work done well. It would be nice to have both, but my experience with these technical types is that they do excellent work and communicate poorly. I spent a career managing these types so I understand. I have sent to Lugerman my Luger which has languished in a drawer in pieces since the 1960's. I was told in the '70's by a gunsmith that because of it's lack of rarity it was not worth restoring. I put it back in the drawer. Since I am now an official "Old Fart" I made the decision to have it restored anyway. Not concerned about the value because it is not for sale. After reviewing his work on his Website, I sent it to Lugerman for assessment. He followed up quickly with a phone call and we discussed the restoration plan. We will see what happens. I can assure you that I will not contact him until we are approaching the agreed upon finish date. I trust his judgement on what the pistol needed and I trust his judgement on the timing. It is now in his court. Your pistol is absolutely remarkable. I hope mine turns out as good - I will be a happy camper! I have attached a photo of what I sent him - some missing pieces, but numbers matching.

wlyon · 12-21-2012, 11:23 PM

Cap
That looks like very nice work. Congratulations !!!!! Bill

sheepherder · 12-22-2012, 12:02 AM

It is refreshing to hear someone say something nice about Eugene's work...

I think it is outstanding...

Curly1 · 12-22-2012, 12:10 AM

I wonder how long it would have taken for you to get it if you didn't go to pick it up, 350 miles, one way? Are you kidding?

Savidio44 · 12-22-2012, 01:45 AM

What did you send him to end up with such a magnicificent piece? What did he have to work with?

CAP Black · 12-22-2012, 07:17 AM

My daughter lives 40 miles from Eugene so I knew all along that I would be going after it; thereby get to inspect it; and visit with my daughter and her family. So my grandson and I made a nice trip out of the occasion.
I paid for the donor. He purchased it. According to the numbers it might have started as a commercial navy. I'm not sure.
Jack

sheepherder · 12-22-2012, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curly1

I wonder how long it would have taken for you to get it if you didn't go to pick it up, 350 miles, one way? Are you kidding?

That is a valid point. Two years ago, I drove 17 1/2 hours round trip to pick up a rescue dog [Weimaraner]. Lockport NY to White Plains NY. One end of the state to the other. Cost me $200 in gas + tolls.

I'll do it for a dog, but not for a gun.

cirelaw · 12-22-2012, 09:20 AM

A must for your new carbine! Eric

sheepherder · 12-22-2012, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Jerry Hand Makes A Beautiful Leather Carbine Carrier!

...???...Who is Jerry Hand??? Does he have a web site???

cirelaw · 12-22-2012, 09:31 AM

Sorry its Jerry Burney who makes by hand beautiful beautiful leather works. Pull up anything leather and he is there! I'm sure he will post as soon as he sees this!

lugerholsterrepair · 12-22-2012, 11:27 AM

Eric, Thanks! You are a one man propaganda arm for Luger Holster Repair! Always nice to see some of my work so I don't mind.
I had talked to several people, might have been Eugene, about leather carry cases for his carbines but there is a problem I don't really know how to solve..His barrel length is some 4 inches longer than a normal German carbine. So a case would be a little awkward because of that.

cirelaw · 12-22-2012, 11:43 AM

WOW!!!I just noticed! It would be like fitting a rifle. !!

alanint · 12-22-2012, 11:47 AM

Out of necessity, new made carbines will have at least a 16" barrel.

cirelaw · 12-22-2012, 02:34 PM

Heres a few!

12-21-2012, 08:56 PM	#1
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	My experience with Eugene, the lugerman I read much about the complaints about Eugene for a year or more. Well, I ordered a 1920 makeover into a carbine back in March. He basically said he felt that he would get it done in 12 months - the normal promised time. Most of the time, he answered my e-mails; inquiring of the progress. But a few times he didn't. I never growled at him and never complained. I treated him with respect and as a customer would a talented vendor-craftsman. Guess what? A week or so ago, he e-mailed me and said he might have it for me in 3 or 4 days. On Sunday he said it was finished. I went to his place (350 miles) and picked it up on Wednesday. It's a beaut. See some pictures attached. Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2012, 09:12 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Very cool, a carbine is high on my listing. I am glad he got it to you 'early' although his normal promise time of 12 months seems like a long time to me Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-21-2012, 09:27 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Ed, yeah..the older you get the longer it is..less time to enjoy it I guess? Does look like a beauty. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-21-2012, 10:44 PM	#7
Savidio44 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hendersonville, Tn Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	RE: Lugerman My experience with talented craftsmen is the same as yours. It is best to let them do what they are good at and not be concerned so much about the other items. Given the choice between a great restoration of a piece of history or an excellent communication series, I can assure you I want the work done well. It would be nice to have both, but my experience with these technical types is that they do excellent work and communicate poorly. I spent a career managing these types so I understand. I have sent to Lugerman my Luger which has languished in a drawer in pieces since the 1960's. I was told in the '70's by a gunsmith that because of it's lack of rarity it was not worth restoring. I put it back in the drawer. Since I am now an official "Old Fart" I made the decision to have it restored anyway. Not concerned about the value because it is not for sale. After reviewing his work on his Website, I sent it to Lugerman for assessment. He followed up quickly with a phone call and we discussed the restoration plan. We will see what happens. I can assure you that I will not contact him until we are approaching the agreed upon finish date. I trust his judgement on what the pistol needed and I trust his judgement on the timing. It is now in his court. Your pistol is absolutely remarkable. I hope mine turns out as good - I will be a happy camper! I have attached a photo of what I sent him - some missing pieces, but numbers matching. Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2012, 11:23 PM	#8
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,530 Times in 943 Posts	Cap That looks like very nice work. Congratulations !!!!! Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-21-2012, 09:33 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jerry, thats a brilliant observation! I have to rearrange my priorities! I'm interested to find out if it was serial numbered and if so what is it? Do all firearms require one?

12-21-2012, 10:15 PM	#5
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	The serial number is: 9086 n; if it matters. Jack

12-21-2012, 10:32 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You! I am very happy that you are happy! Nice stocking stuffer!

12-22-2012, 12:02 AM	#9
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	It is refreshing to hear someone say something *nice* about Eugene's work... I think it is outstanding... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-22-2012, 12:10 AM	#10
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,230 Thanks: 113 Thanked 703 Times in 365 Posts	I wonder how long it would have taken for you to get it if you didn't go to pick it up, 350 miles, one way? Are you kidding? __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

12-22-2012, 01:45 AM	#11
Savidio44 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hendersonville, Tn Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Lugerman What did you send him to end up with such a magnicificent piece? What did he have to work with?

12-22-2012, 07:17 AM	#12
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	My daughter lives 40 miles from Eugene so I knew all along that I would be going after it; thereby get to inspect it; and visit with my daughter and her family. So my grandson and I made a nice trip out of the occasion. I paid for the donor. He purchased it. According to the numbers it might have started as a commercial navy. I'm not sure. Jack

12-22-2012, 09:20 AM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jerry Hand Makes A Beautiful Leather Carbine Carrier! A must for your new carbine! Eric Attached Thumbnails

12-22-2012, 09:31 AM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Sorry its Jerry Burney who makes by hand beautiful beautiful leather works. Pull up anything leather and he is there! I'm sure he will post as soon as he sees this!

12-22-2012, 11:27 AM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Eric, Thanks! You are a one man propaganda arm for Luger Holster Repair! Always nice to see some of my work so I don't mind. I had talked to several people, might have been Eugene, about leather carry cases for his carbines but there is a problem I don't really know how to solve..His barrel length is some 4 inches longer than a normal German carbine. So a case would be a little awkward because of that. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-22-2012, 11:43 AM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	WOW!!!I just noticed! It would be like fitting a rifle. !!

12-22-2012, 11:47 AM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Out of necessity, new made carbines will have at least a 16" barrel.

12-22-2012, 02:34 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	How Many Barrel Lenghs Were There? Heres a few! Attached Thumbnails