The Ortgies "Prize"...

mrerick · 04-04-2012, 08:52 PM

Here's an unusual Ortgies 7.65 (.32acp) pistol I acquired a year or so ago.

The grips have been modified by adding coarse checkering and with the embedding of two coins.

One appears to be a German States Imperial coin perhaps 1 mark. I believe that the "B" mint mark is Hannover.

The other is from Imperial China's Kwang-Tung (Guangdong) Province, a 7.2 Candareens silver coin. This coin minted around 1908 or earlier. Minted in Canton China for the SouthEast region.

This is one pistol that would probably have interesting stories if it could speak!

Pictures attached...

Marc

alanint · 04-04-2012, 09:06 PM

Very interesting gun!!

alvin · 04-04-2012, 09:21 PM

German traveler's pistol in Canton or Hong Kong?

mrerick · 04-04-2012, 10:01 PM

Alvin,

Most likely... Canton and Macao are adjacent to Hong Kong. Yet somehow it ended up in the SouthEast USA...

The work could have been done in China or the Far East, yet the coins are from a period that is earlier than the pistol. Perhaps a German merchant mariner...

Marc

sheepherder · 04-05-2012, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Very interesting gun!!

Yes. I was going to add that it is slightly different from other Ortgies that I have seen, but now I see that the grip safety is fully engaged...Disengaged pic below)...

This from POTW -

"Safety was questionable; the only safety device was a grip safety which when pressed in would lock in that position until released by a button at the top of the left grip"

Hmmmm...Your safety is off...

mrerick · 04-05-2012, 09:58 AM

Yes - Safety was off.

When I got it, someone had epoxied the grip latch and side of one of the grips. I had to carefully remove the epoxy (blind through the magazine well) and then found that the grip's engagement slot was broken out.

I repaired this by cutting in a small piece of walnut which is externally not visible.

The disconnector doesn't always seem to engage (as the slide returns the firing pin falls). For that reason, I've never loaded or attempted to fire it. Any thoughts on how this might be adjusted?

BTW, I got a images of the factory manual from Francis a while back, and we put together this PDF file:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1421337642

Marc

Curly1 · 04-05-2012, 01:54 PM

Yes this is a common problem with the grips getting broken too cause peeps didn't know how to remove them.

04-04-2012, 08:52 PM	#1
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	The Ortgies "Prize"... Here's an unusual Ortgies 7.65 (.32acp) pistol I acquired a year or so ago. The grips have been modified by adding coarse checkering and with the embedding of two coins. One appears to be a German States Imperial coin perhaps 1 mark. I believe that the "B" mint mark is Hannover. The other is from Imperial China's Kwang-Tung (Guangdong) Province, a 7.2 Candareens silver coin. This coin minted around 1908 or earlier. Minted in Canton China for the SouthEast region. This is one pistol that would probably have interesting stories if it could speak! Pictures attached... Marc Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-04-2012, 10:01 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Alvin, Most likely... Canton and Macao are adjacent to Hong Kong. Yet somehow it ended up in the SouthEast USA... The work could have been done in China or the Far East, yet the coins are from a period that is earlier than the pistol. Perhaps a German merchant mariner... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-05-2012, 09:58 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Yes - Safety was off. When I got it, someone had epoxied the grip latch and side of one of the grips. I had to carefully remove the epoxy (blind through the magazine well) and then found that the grip's engagement slot was broken out. I repaired this by cutting in a small piece of walnut which is externally not visible. The disconnector doesn't always seem to engage (as the slide returns the firing pin falls). For that reason, I've never loaded or attempted to fire it. Any thoughts on how this might be adjusted? BTW, I got a images of the factory manual from Francis a while back, and we put together this PDF file: http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1421337642 Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-05-2012, 01:54 PM	#7
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,244 Thanks: 125 Thanked 715 Times in 372 Posts	Yes this is a common problem with the grips getting broken too cause peeps didn't know how to remove them. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Very interesting gun!!

04-04-2012, 09:21 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	German traveler's pistol in Canton or Hong Kong?