How far did repairs go

Fazer · 02-23-2012, 03:50 AM

Not sure if this is the right section, but it will do.

We all know that lugers and other martial arms were just that, when they were in service. No one worried about collectability and weather the extractor matched. Just make it work.

That being said, how far did field armoures go, making repairs on firearms.

Was there another station further back down the line to make repairs when field repairers weren't able.

How far gone did a piece have to be, before it was just considered scrap.

I am sure it depends on how you are traveling in the war and such and avalibility of spares. Were arms repaired more in the first as oppesed to the second war.

I realise there is a lot of guess work in this.

Thanks.........Chip

pitsword · 02-23-2012, 03:51 PM

Good question and interesting. Gents, someone must know, please share with us that are learning. Thanks.

pitsword · 02-23-2012, 03:57 PM

Chip,
Just noticed your location. Oz is where I hope to visit. The future son in law of a very dear friend is based in Townsville. Being a Submarine sailor, on Diesel Boats, I always hoped to make that cruise ..down under. Many of my "Boat Mates" ported in Freemantle. Best to you.
Vince

padredan · 02-23-2012, 04:35 PM

really not a clue about the german army. forty years ago , i can speak of, in the united states army, you have small arms repairmen then the armor's. alot of the problems can be corrected in the field by a little more than field stripping and replacing a failed or damaged part. At first the m16's proved to be troublesome in the field, those problems had to be worked out, major rebuilds and replacemnets would have to be done in the armory. For a weapon to be just completly wiped out, it would have been usualy in a crash, happened to alot to m60's or a direct hit from small arms fire, ppg's or morters, have seen a few get run over by convoy's or apc's, it did happen. one of the most durable weapons had to be the u.s. sidearm caliber .45 1911' a1, which just celebrated it's 100th. i do not think i ever saw one that could not be rebuilt. there was very little hand fitting, just pick some good usuable parts and you hand ole slab sides back in the fight. Not taking anything awy from the lugers, now that i own a couple , i deeply respect them. If one thing they are beautifully built weapons. But would i have wanted to take one into battle with me? Lugged it through the mud and the muck and swealtering jungle and still exspected it to defend myself and those around me? Well, this is a luger forum, and the short time i have been here i learned to respect those here and i have gained much knowledge from them.l do not wish to start any hard feelings, that being said. my best regards Padre

padredan · 02-23-2012, 04:45 PM

Again, i mean no disrespect, we all know lugers are fine weapons and beatufully made. But there is just something about ole ugly that makes those of that have carried one , slep with it , and knowing it would shoot if we just gave it the minimum of care. Well i do not have to describe it to those that do know, again thanks to each of you for sharing your knowledge with me.

alanint · 02-23-2012, 05:40 PM

From my recollection, there were three levels of repair;
At the company level: (small parts changed. Found weapons turned in, cleaned and reissued)
Field Repair Station: (Larger parts fixed and fitted. parts replaced, etc.)
Depot Level Armory: (Weapons completely rebuilt. Welding where necessary. Stocks repaired with brass pins, etc. Weapons zeroed)

Don't apologize for the 1911, Dan. I would not go into a fight, even today, with anything less!

padredan · 02-23-2012, 05:58 PM

thanks, it was not an apolgy i assure you, just this is a luger forum. I never want to sow discord among the brethern so to speak. you sir are very knowlegable as well as alot of others here, i never mean any desrespect , but when it comes to the u.s. .45 acp 1911a1 pistol, no better battle sidearm has ever been fielded, Right now some of our most elite forces are using them over the m9's , why is that you think, the reliablity and stopping power? you bet it is. ole slabsides served my self and alot of others well and 100 years later it is still doing the same. thanks Padre

mrerick · 02-23-2012, 08:14 PM

I collect Lugers. I train with and carry a 1911a1 .45acp pistol.

Marc

Fazer · 02-23-2012, 11:01 PM

Pitsword,

I am down in Fremantle. I have known a bunch of ex-subamriners from the war that settled here. Also the wife's family had members working with subs both here and in Albany. The local RSL, (VFW) I frequent is mostly Navy personel. They did a big spread in the weekend paper not so long ago, with all the pictures and what the buildings were now used for. Don't know if it means anything, but they took over an old nuthouse for their headquarters at one stage.

02-23-2012, 03:50 AM	#1
Fazer Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Perth, West Oz Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	How far did repairs go Not sure if this is the right section, but it will do. We all know that lugers and other martial arms were just that, when they were in service. No one worried about collectability and weather the extractor matched. Just make it work. That being said, how far did field armoures go, making repairs on firearms. Was there another station further back down the line to make repairs when field repairers weren't able. How far gone did a piece have to be, before it was just considered scrap. I am sure it depends on how you are traveling in the war and such and avalibility of spares. Were arms repaired more in the first as oppesed to the second war. I realise there is a lot of guess work in this. Thanks.........Chip

02-23-2012, 04:35 PM	#4
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	really not a clue about the german army. forty years ago , i can speak of, in the united states army, you have small arms repairmen then the armor's. alot of the problems can be corrected in the field by a little more than field stripping and replacing a failed or damaged part. At first the m16's proved to be troublesome in the field, those problems had to be worked out, major rebuilds and replacemnets would have to be done in the armory. For a weapon to be just completly wiped out, it would have been usualy in a crash, happened to alot to m60's or a direct hit from small arms fire, ppg's or morters, have seen a few get run over by convoy's or apc's, it did happen. one of the most durable weapons had to be the u.s. sidearm caliber .45 1911' a1, which just celebrated it's 100th. i do not think i ever saw one that could not be rebuilt. there was very little hand fitting, just pick some good usuable parts and you hand ole slab sides back in the fight. Not taking anything awy from the lugers, now that i own a couple , i deeply respect them. If one thing they are beautifully built weapons. But would i have wanted to take one into battle with me? Lugged it through the mud and the muck and swealtering jungle and still exspected it to defend myself and those around me? Well, this is a luger forum, and the short time i have been here i learned to respect those here and i have gained much knowledge from them.l do not wish to start any hard feelings, that being said. my best regards Padre __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

02-23-2012, 04:45 PM	#5
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	Again, i mean no disrespect, we all know lugers are fine weapons and beatufully made. But there is just something about ole ugly that makes those of that have carried one , slep with it , and knowing it would shoot if we just gave it the minimum of care. Well i do not have to describe it to those that do know, again thanks to each of you for sharing your knowledge with me. Attached Thumbnails __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

02-23-2012, 05:58 PM	#7
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	thanks, it was not an apolgy i assure you, just this is a luger forum. I never want to sow discord among the brethern so to speak. you sir are very knowlegable as well as alot of others here, i never mean any desrespect , but when it comes to the u.s. .45 acp 1911a1 pistol, no better battle sidearm has ever been fielded, Right now some of our most elite forces are using them over the m9's , why is that you think, the reliablity and stopping power? you bet it is. ole slabsides served my self and alot of others well and 100 years later it is still doing the same. thanks Padre __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God Last edited by padredan; 02-23-2012 at 08:17 PM.

02-23-2012, 08:14 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	I collect Lugers. I train with and carry a 1911a1 .45acp pistol. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-23-2012, 03:51 PM	#2
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Good question and interesting. Gents, someone must know, please share with us that are learning. Thanks.

02-23-2012, 03:57 PM	#3
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Chip, Just noticed your location. Oz is where I hope to visit. The future son in law of a very dear friend is based in Townsville. Being a Submarine sailor, on Diesel Boats, I always hoped to make that cruise ..down under. Many of my "Boat Mates" ported in Freemantle. Best to you. Vince

02-23-2012, 05:40 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	From my recollection, there were three levels of repair; At the company level: (small parts changed. Found weapons turned in, cleaned and reissued) Field Repair Station: (Larger parts fixed and fitted. parts replaced, etc.) Depot Level Armory: (Weapons completely rebuilt. Welding where necessary. Stocks repaired with brass pins, etc. Weapons zeroed) Don't apologize for the 1911, Dan. I would not go into a fight, even today, with anything less!

02-23-2012, 11:01 PM	#9
Fazer Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Perth, West Oz Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Pitsword, I am down in Fremantle. I have known a bunch of ex-subamriners from the war that settled here. Also the wife's family had members working with subs both here and in Albany. The local RSL, (VFW) I frequent is mostly Navy personel. They did a big spread in the weekend paper not so long ago, with all the pictures and what the buildings were now used for. Don't know if it means anything, but they took over an old nuthouse for their headquarters at one stage.