What if government had a firearm "remote control shutoff"?

mrerick · 08-15-2011, 12:05 PM

In the aftermath of the San Francisco flash mob cellphone shutoff, here's an interesting twist on the 2nd amendment debate:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government...26?tag=nl.e589

calibrator · 08-15-2011, 11:01 PM

When I enlisted in the USN back in '75, I took ALOT of tests for placement. In Boot Camp, my CC told me in our interview that he had never seen someone score so high in the "Abstract Reasoning and Logic" category as I had . I feel that the writer of this piece is "reaching" for a comp. The ability to communicate would be more likely "Freedom Of Speech" related than 2A. I STILL don't have a cell phone, and don't want one (I'm 58). Curtailing your Comms will be the first thing that is done when Martial Law is imposed (no more Internet either, OH NO, what will everyone here do then). I think that since the F.C.C. grants ALL licenses to providers, it can just as easily revoke them with any twisted logic they like. This is the 21st Century, if you lsiten to Progressives, they will say that the Constitution should be a "Living Document" and change as the times dictate. I do not agree.

ithacaartist · 08-16-2011, 09:41 AM

"...the Constitution should be a "Living Document" and change as the times dictate. I do not agree."

I detect a contradiction. The constitution has built-in accommodation for being changed. Um, they're called amendments. The process for amending the constitution is outlined by the constitution itself. Guess what? Without the capacity to change, the constitution would have no second amendment, so there you go.

Governments that do not adapt to reality are what frighten me. Those without secularity are doomed to choke on their own religious dogma. Dictatorships may last for a while, but looking at the former USSR, the Third Reich, and now the Middle East, gives a glimpse of what happens to governments that are mired in their own dogma.

The things it takes to properly run a country are reason and logic, and I'd rather not opt out of that.

Moderators, a little help here. Didn't this thread turn almost immediately into a political discussion? I laud your policy concerning this, and wish it extended to the other bugaboo, the open expression of religious thinking. Politics and religion have no place on a forum about collecting Lugers unless the references are connected to the collecting by historical context. Period.

Ron Smith · 08-16-2011, 10:14 AM

Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment and subsequent ratification.

Amendments may be proposed by either two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress or by a national convention. This convention can be assembled at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the several states. To become part of the Constitution, amendments must then be ratified either by approval of the legislatures of three-fourths of the states or ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states. Congress has discretion as to which method of ratification should be used. Any amendment so ratified becomes a valid part of the constitution, provided that no state "shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the senate," without its consent.

Twenty-seven amendments have been ratified since the original signing of the Constitution, the first ten of which are known collectively as the Bill of Rights

The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution, which limit the power of the U.S. federal government. These limitations serve to protect the natural rights of liberty and property including freedoms of religion, speech, a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the right to keep and bear arms.

They were introduced by James Madison to the 1st United States Congress as a series of legislative articles, were adopted by the House of Representatives on August 21, 1789,

When I enlisted in the Navy. I swore an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. My response was "I Do Solemnly Swear "... "I Disagree", wasn't an option.

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Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment and subsequent ratification. Amendments may be proposed by either two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress or by a national convention. This convention can be assembled at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the several states. To become part of the Constitution, amendments must then be ratified either by approval of the legislatures of three-fourths of the states or ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states. Congress has discretion as to which method of ratification should be used. Any amendment so ratified becomes a valid part of the constitution, provided that no state "shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the senate," without its consent. Twenty-seven amendments have been ratified since the original signing of the Constitution, the first ten of which are known collectively as the Bill of Rights The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution, which limit the power of the U.S. federal government. These limitations serve to protect the natural rights of liberty and property including freedoms of religion, speech, a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the right to keep and bear arms. They were introduced by James Madison to the 1st United States Congress as a series of legislative articles, were adopted by the House of Representatives on August 21, 1789, When I enlisted in the Navy. I swore an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. My response was "I Do Solemnly Swear "... "I Disagree", wasn't an option. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-15-2011, 11:01 PM	#2
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 243 Times in 93 Posts	When I enlisted in the USN back in '75, I took ALOT of tests for placement. In Boot Camp, my CC told me in our interview that he had never seen someone score so high in the "Abstract Reasoning and Logic" category as I had . I feel that the writer of this piece is "reaching" for a comp. The ability to communicate would be more likely "Freedom Of Speech" related than 2A. I STILL don't have a cell phone, and don't want one (I'm 58). Curtailing your Comms will be the first thing that is done when Martial Law is imposed (no more Internet either, OH NO, what will everyone here do then). I think that since the F.C.C. grants ALL licenses to providers, it can just as easily revoke them with any twisted logic they like. This is the 21st Century, if you lsiten to Progressives, they will say that the Constitution should be a "Living Document" and change as the times dictate. I do not agree.

08-16-2011, 09:41 AM	#3
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,368 Thanks: 7,432 Thanked 2,611 Times in 1,378 Posts	"...the Constitution should be a "Living Document" and change as the times dictate. I do not agree." I detect a contradiction. The constitution has built-in accommodation for being changed. Um, they're called amendments. The process for amending the constitution is outlined by the constitution itself. Guess what? Without the capacity to change, the constitution would have no second amendment, so there you go. Governments that do not adapt to reality are what frighten me. Those without secularity are doomed to choke on their own religious dogma. Dictatorships may last for a while, but looking at the former USSR, the Third Reich, and now the Middle East, gives a glimpse of what happens to governments that are mired in their own dogma. The things it takes to properly run a country are reason and logic, and I'd rather not opt out of that. Moderators, a little help here. Didn't this thread turn almost immediately into a political discussion? I laud your policy concerning this, and wish it extended to the other bugaboo, the open expression of religious thinking. Politics and religion have no place on a forum about collecting Lugers unless the references are connected to the collecting by historical context. Period.