New to the board and a Luger

OSURifleman · 02-15-2011, 06:00 PM

Hey fellas. I am new to the board and I am learning a lot about this awesome firearm. Like so many others, I have gotten into so many other firearms, but never owned the one I've always wanted since a kid growing up watching the movies and reading WWII history.

I found something and I thought I would throw it out there. While picking up a modern black rifle (.50 Beowulf), I laid my hands on an old war horse on the bottom shelf of one of the counters. I have put it back for a small down payment, but not sure what to make of it. I haven't been able to take pictures of it yet, but thought I'd do my best to describe it. Pictures though, as soon as I sign the adoption papers...

It's 1938 Mauser Luger, serial # L5338. All visible numbers match, but there are some oddities...

The toggle is a DWM toggle, which through this forum, I understand is incorrect for the pistol, but the last 2 digits for the pistol are stamped on the toggle, behind the DWM stamp. Could this have been performed by...?

There are no German Military Waffenampts on the pistol. There are two very, very small acceptance stamps under the barrel - one of which might be an eagle over an "N"? Could that be? They are REALLY small. Small enough you would have to magnify them to make 'em out. What could that be?

The rifling in the barrel looks great. Actually, the guys at the gun shop were quite amazed at the condition of the rifling. The barrel is marked "L" 338. The lower, or what might be called the receiver is stamped 5338 with what looks like a "L" under the serial #.

Blueing is nearly gone. The wood grips are in great shape, but worn. Don't know if they match the serial #.

The magazine is interesting... a little rough, silver in color. Stamped with an fxo and a waffenampt eagle with 37 below it. Plastic bottom on the mag, marked 5338, but no additional marks.

I know, she's a shooter, maybe more? Asking price is $550 and as I said, I put a small amount down to hold it and eventually buy it. I have always wanted one and no matter, what I would get, I'd have to shoot it a few times...

What do you guys think, so far? Any help, comments and or concerns would be greatly appreciated!

-OSURifleman

sheepherder · 02-15-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OSURifleman

Asking price is $550...What do you guys think...

Buy it buy it buy it...Hiya hiya hiya...

rivieraranch · 02-15-2011, 07:33 PM

The magazine alone is probably worth $100.00 to $150.00.

sheepherder · 02-15-2011, 07:38 PM

You say the bluing is nearly gone...Do you mean there is a brownish patina over most of the pistol??? Many [me included] prefer this coloring on an antique pistol...

mrerick · 02-15-2011, 08:46 PM

Some questions...

Is it in 9mm Luger or .30 Luger caliber?

Will they guarantee that it is a good shooter?

Is it a rebarrel? (Can you see the witness mark on the barrel / receiver mating surface, and does it line up? )

Do you believe it's a Mauser because "1938" is stamped on the receiver over the chamber?

Is there a Mauser "hump" on the back of the receiver ears?

Clearly, photos will help. Perhaps the dealer will permit them while you're waiting..

Marc

Edward Tinker · 02-16-2011, 03:00 AM

I think for $550 that it doesn't matter much, you can get about that or more in the parts alone....

Ed

Edward Tinker · 02-16-2011, 03:00 AM

I think for $550 that it doesn't matter much, you can get about that or more in the parts alone....

Ed

OSURifleman · 02-16-2011, 05:20 PM

Mrerick - I will try to answer your questions:

It is a 9mm Luger and unfortunetly, they will not guarantee it's a shooter. I looked at the witness mark, and I am almost 100% sure, it was a dead nuts match / line up, so I would guess it's the original barrel.

As for why I think it might be a Mauser made model, I read somewhere within this site, DWM was not producing Lugers after 1936? That only Mauser was in production in 1938? Another indicator is I saw a small part marked S/42, just above the side block - really small...

I'm not sure what you mean by the "Mauser hump" on the back of the receiver ears, but the back spine of the grip has been milled (?) with a protusion for a butt stock. Standard?

I'll try to stop and get some pics with my BB. It generally takes some nice pictures...

With out the waffenamts, could this have been a commercial model? Looking at the markings just below the barrel, I'd swear I see a extremely small mark of an eagle over an "N". Just thinking out loud...

mrerick · 02-16-2011, 08:13 PM

On Mauser receiver frames, the rear side of the "ears" are not flat. It's got a slightly rounded bump.

This Luger is a mix of parts from different eras. That makes it a "shooter" Luger.

If they won't warrant it works well, you could end up with some repair costs if everything isn't right.

If it's import marked, it could have been reworked by the GDR. There are several characteristics that can be recognized if this was done.

So.... cavaet emptor. $550 is a good price for a shooter if it works properly.

Marc

Ron Wood · 02-16-2011, 10:10 PM

Mauser "hump"

MFC · 02-17-2011, 02:55 AM

Hi Jeff,
Eagle/N is a commercial firing proof. The original toggle probably had a Mauser Banner logo. Classified as a 1938 Mauser Banner commercial.

02-15-2011, 06:00 PM	#1
OSURifleman New User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New to the board and a Luger Hey fellas. I am new to the board and I am learning a lot about this awesome firearm. Like so many others, I have gotten into so many other firearms, but never owned the one I've always wanted since a kid growing up watching the movies and reading WWII history. I found something and I thought I would throw it out there. While picking up a modern black rifle (.50 Beowulf), I laid my hands on an old war horse on the bottom shelf of one of the counters. I have put it back for a small down payment, but not sure what to make of it. I haven't been able to take pictures of it yet, but thought I'd do my best to describe it. Pictures though, as soon as I sign the adoption papers... It's 1938 Mauser Luger, serial # L5338. All visible numbers match, but there are some oddities... The toggle is a DWM toggle, which through this forum, I understand is incorrect for the pistol, but the last 2 digits for the pistol are stamped on the toggle, behind the DWM stamp. Could this have been performed by...? There are no German Military Waffenampts on the pistol. There are two very, very small acceptance stamps under the barrel - one of which might be an eagle over an "N"? Could that be? They are REALLY small. Small enough you would have to magnify them to make 'em out. What could that be? The rifling in the barrel looks great. Actually, the guys at the gun shop were quite amazed at the condition of the rifling. The barrel is marked "L" 338. The lower, or what might be called the receiver is stamped 5338 with what looks like a "L" under the serial #. Blueing is nearly gone. The wood grips are in great shape, but worn. Don't know if they match the serial #. The magazine is interesting... a little rough, silver in color. Stamped with an fxo and a waffenampt eagle with 37 below it. Plastic bottom on the mag, marked 5338, but no additional marks. I know, she's a shooter, maybe more? Asking price is $550 and as I said, I put a small amount down to hold it and eventually buy it. I have always wanted one and no matter, what I would get, I'd have to shoot it a few times... What do you guys think, so far? Any help, comments and or concerns would be greatly appreciated! -OSURifleman

02-15-2011, 07:38 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	You say the bluing is nearly gone...Do you mean there is a brownish patina over most of the pistol??? Many [me included] prefer this coloring on an antique pistol... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-15-2011, 08:46 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Some questions... Is it in 9mm Luger or .30 Luger caliber? Will they guarantee that it is a good shooter? Is it a rebarrel? (Can you see the witness mark on the barrel / receiver mating surface, and does it line up? ) Do you believe it's a Mauser because "1938" is stamped on the receiver over the chamber? Is there a Mauser "hump" on the back of the receiver ears? Clearly, photos will help. Perhaps the dealer will permit them while you're waiting.. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-16-2011, 08:13 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	On Mauser receiver frames, the rear side of the "ears" are not flat. It's got a slightly rounded bump. This Luger is a mix of parts from different eras. That makes it a "shooter" Luger. If they won't warrant it works well, you could end up with some repair costs if everything isn't right. If it's import marked, it could have been reworked by the GDR. There are several characteristics that can be recognized if this was done. So.... cavaet emptor. $550 is a good price for a shooter if it works properly. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-16-2011, 10:10 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Mauser "hump" Attached Images __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-15-2011, 07:33 PM	#3
rivieraranch User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 101 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	The magazine alone is probably worth $100.00 to $150.00.

02-16-2011, 03:00 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I think for $550 that it doesn't matter much, you can get about that or more in the parts alone.... Ed

02-16-2011, 05:20 PM	#8
OSURifleman New User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mrerick - I will try to answer your questions: It is a 9mm Luger and unfortunetly, they will not guarantee it's a shooter. I looked at the witness mark, and I am almost 100% sure, it was a dead nuts match / line up, so I would guess it's the original barrel. As for why I think it might be a Mauser made model, I read somewhere within this site, DWM was not producing Lugers after 1936? That only Mauser was in production in 1938? Another indicator is I saw a small part marked S/42, just above the side block - really small... I'm not sure what you mean by the "Mauser hump" on the back of the receiver ears, but the back spine of the grip has been milled (?) with a protusion for a butt stock. Standard? I'll try to stop and get some pics with my BB. It generally takes some nice pictures... With out the waffenamts, could this have been a commercial model? Looking at the markings just below the barrel, I'd swear I see a extremely small mark of an eagle over an "N". Just thinking out loud...

02-17-2011, 02:55 AM	#11
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Jeff, Eagle/N is a commercial firing proof. The original toggle probably had a Mauser Banner logo. Classified as a 1938 Mauser Banner commercial. __________________ Mike C.