Mauser 'Banner', 1939, Eagle C

Blind Hog · 07-01-2010, 03:31 PM

Here's an example of a Mauser 'Banner' Police, 1939 date, Eagle C Police acceptance, serial 2197w. With one matching magazine; 1, 2197 w.

Norme · 07-01-2010, 04:00 PM

Hi Francis, I don't collect Banners and know little about them. Are the muzzle and safety bar supposed to be blued, or should they be "in the white" like military Mausers? Regards, Norm

Blind Hog · 07-01-2010, 04:49 PM

Norm, I do not know a lot about Lugers, but I am pretty certain that the sear safety is correct, blued. The rivet should be in the white, and is.
The muzzle in the white, I do not know. It may once have been in the white, but now after 71 years I will call it patina. I believe it would had been white.

alanint · 07-01-2010, 04:54 PM

Weren't all Weimar police reworks refinished??

Blind Hog · 07-01-2010, 05:02 PM

I do not believe these Police 'Banners' were "reworks". They were new manufactured, direct from factory contractual procurement.

Norme · 07-01-2010, 05:30 PM

Hi Francis, I wasn't asking about the sear safety, but about the safety bar, shown in the white on my 1939 42 (see picture). Regards, Norm

Blind Hog · 07-01-2010, 06:44 PM

Ah, I misunderstood. A valid question and I do not know the answer. In my books, these 'Banners' are pictured with the safety bar in the white. To be honest, I never paid attention to it 'till now.
Took the left grip off and the safety bar is all blue.

tau-delt · 07-02-2010, 05:56 PM

Francis... My guess is that perhaps this was a Russian capture and got dipped.

Blind Hog · 07-02-2010, 09:14 PM

Hi Dave,

Thank you, it certainly could be. I have had it in the collection for some twenty years, so probably pre-dates the collecting community becoming aware of the "Russian captures". Most likely done here in the good ol' US of A.

tau-delt · 07-03-2010, 09:12 AM

Francis.... Very interesting gun. I have 2786w (1939 E/L) and the muzzel kind of looks like yours although the saftey bar is in the white. I checked 4 Banners from 1939 and 2 have polished muzzels and 2 do not.

If in fact it is a Russian dip gun they I would think it was done in Russia rather than here. My understanding is that the dipping was done soon after WW2 ended as the guns were put in storage for future use. Do not have documentation to back that up but it sure makes sense to me......

FNorm · 07-03-2010, 09:47 AM

Here's some of my 42 Banner. Also see album here.

Blind Hog · 07-03-2010, 10:01 AM

Dave, I really do not know anything about the history, facts of 'Russian capture', 'dip' pistols. It seems to me that the awareness of these programs have only recently come to light. Like in the last five or ten years. Started hearing about them after the fall of Soviet rule and a bunch of flotsom started washing up on our shores.
If the pistol presented is indeed a refinish, I believe it was simply done right here. I do not see anything about it that would indicate that it came out of one of the 'krains, 'stans or commie democratic republics. No evidence of import markings or such. Of course it could had come in immediate post war, 1950's, under the wire, diplomatic pouch, good ol' boy means, GI rod & gun return, etc. or some way not to be import marked.

I have never actually "collected' Lugers, simply acquired them here and there if they struck my fancy....while on the trail of a "Radom". At one time I thought that it would be nice to have one each example of the main manufacturers of of the Luger. What with the price of Simsons, Vickers, etc., that will most likely not happen for me. But, maybe some day I'll get lucky....you know....the Blind Hog thing.

07-01-2010, 03:31 PM	#1
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Mauser 'Banner', 1939, Eagle C Here's an example of a Mauser 'Banner' Police, 1939 date, Eagle C Police acceptance, serial 2197w. With one matching magazine; 1, 2197 w. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

07-01-2010, 04:49 PM	#3
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Norm, I do not know a lot about Lugers, but I am pretty certain that the sear safety is correct, blued. The rivet should be in the white, and is. The muzzle in the white, I do not know. It may once have been in the white, but now after 71 years I will call it patina. I believe it would had been white. __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

07-01-2010, 05:02 PM	#5
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I do not believe these Police 'Banners' were "reworks". They were new manufactured, direct from factory contractual procurement. __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

07-01-2010, 05:30 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Francis, I wasn't asking about the sear safety, but about the safety bar, shown in the white on my 1939 42 (see picture). Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

07-01-2010, 06:44 PM	#7
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ah, I misunderstood. A valid question and I do not know the answer. In my books, these 'Banners' are pictured with the safety bar in the white. To be honest, I never paid attention to it 'till now. Took the left grip off and the safety bar is all blue. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

07-01-2010, 04:00 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Francis, I don't collect Banners and know little about them. Are the muzzle and safety bar supposed to be blued, or should they be "in the white" like military Mausers? Regards, Norm

07-01-2010, 04:54 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Weren't all Weimar police reworks refinished??

07-02-2010, 05:56 PM	#8
tau-delt User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Francis... My guess is that perhaps this was a Russian capture and got dipped. __________________ dave

07-02-2010, 09:14 PM	#9
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi Dave, Thank you, it certainly could be. I have had it in the collection for some twenty years, so probably pre-dates the collecting community becoming aware of the "Russian captures". Most likely done here in the good ol' US of A. __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

07-03-2010, 09:12 AM	#10
tau-delt User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Francis.... Very interesting gun. I have 2786w (1939 E/L) and the muzzel kind of looks like yours although the saftey bar is in the white. I checked 4 Banners from 1939 and 2 have polished muzzels and 2 do not. If in fact it is a Russian dip gun they I would think it was done in Russia rather than here. My understanding is that the dipping was done soon after WW2 ended as the guns were put in storage for future use. Do not have documentation to back that up but it sure makes sense to me...... __________________ dave

07-03-2010, 09:47 AM	#11
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Here's some of my 42 Banner. Also see album here. Attached Images

07-03-2010, 10:01 AM	#12
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Dave, I really do not know anything about the history, facts of 'Russian capture', 'dip' pistols. It seems to me that the awareness of these programs have only recently come to light. Like in the last five or ten years. Started hearing about them after the fall of Soviet rule and a bunch of flotsom started washing up on our shores. If the pistol presented is indeed a refinish, I believe it was simply done right here. I do not see anything about it that would indicate that it came out of one of the 'krains, 'stans or commie democratic republics. No evidence of import markings or such. Of course it could had come in immediate post war, 1950's, under the wire, diplomatic pouch, good ol' boy means, GI rod & gun return, etc. or some way not to be import marked. I have never actually "collected' Lugers, simply acquired them here and there if they struck my fancy....while on the trail of a "Radom". At one time I thought that it would be nice to have one each example of the main manufacturers of of the Luger. What with the price of Simsons, Vickers, etc., that will most likely not happen for me. But, maybe some day I'll get lucky....you know....the Blind Hog thing. __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"