C&R bound books (?)

DavidJayUden · 03-22-2010, 09:25 AM

About a million years ago I was an FFL with special tax stamp for the full auto stuff and at that time used a "bound book" for recording all transactions. Now, many years later, as a new and very inactive C&R lic. holder I am asuming that a bound book needs to be maintained of C&R transactions.
Is that correct, and if so what is a good source for procurement of said bound books?
Or does a shoe box of receipts suffice? I can just see the ATF types' facial reaction when you lay that in front of them during an audit...
Thanks;
dju

Ron Smith · 03-22-2010, 09:34 AM

Dave,

I think you can get an approved C&R record book from BATF, unless they've discontinued providing them. You can also buy bound ledger books at office supply stores, Staples, Office Depot, etc.

Ron

FNorm · 03-22-2010, 09:37 AM

I'm a new C&R and found the bound book, numbered pages at, surprisingly, 'Staples', the office supply place.

FN

Edward Tinker · 03-22-2010, 09:38 AM

Brownels has them I believe

abukafura · 03-22-2010, 10:06 AM

They are also advertised for sale in Shotgun News and Gun Digest.

John Sabato · 03-22-2010, 12:10 PM

"About a million years ago" ??? David, I thought you looked familiar, to quote the late Elmer Keith "Hell, I was there!"

DavidJayUden · 03-22-2010, 06:10 PM

Actually I was a class 3 FFL up until Clinton's Veep Lloyd Benson made comments about how there are more gun dealers than McDonalds. Then the ATF raised the rent and harassed all the not-so-serious guys out of business. Oh well, life went on.
dju

BogeyB · 03-22-2010, 06:49 PM

David,

I got mine thru RK Enterprises. Their website doesn't work, so I called them. Their bound book is real nice.

Mike

http://www.rkffl.com/

paradox998 · 03-22-2010, 08:27 PM

Don't' buy anything. Go to Surplusrifle.com and download a sample boundbook page as a pdf. Look under the C&R tab. Print a few copies, 3-hole punch and into a notebook. All done. The "book" does not have to be bound like a printed book.

DavidJayUden · 03-22-2010, 08:39 PM

Thank you all!

BogeyB · 03-22-2010, 10:08 PM

David,

Be aware that some BATFE Agents don't consider a loose leaf notebook a " bound book ". I'm not going to tempt fate!!

Mike

Hugh · 03-27-2010, 04:14 PM

I have been using the one from Surplusrifle.com since I got my license in 2000. The pages are two hole punched and in a cover with two of those little brass tab thingys that you put thru the hole and fold back the tabs.

When I got inspected last year the ATF agent commented that he had never seen a book like that before, but it has all the information needed in it and looks just like the example in the BATF book. He said it was ok to use!

jonnyc · 03-27-2010, 05:40 PM

Same here.
Here's the address: http://www.surplusrifle.com/graphics/boundbookpage.pdf

mrerick · 03-27-2010, 06:14 PM

Can "bound" book be as simple as printing the pages from your computer copy of the contents, and stapling them together to "bind" them?

Marc

03-22-2010, 09:25 AM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	C&R bound books (?) About a million years ago I was an FFL with special tax stamp for the full auto stuff and at that time used a "bound book" for recording all transactions. Now, many years later, as a new and very inactive C&R lic. holder I am asuming that a bound book needs to be maintained of C&R transactions. Is that correct, and if so what is a good source for procurement of said bound books? Or does a shoe box of receipts suffice? I can just see the ATF types' facial reaction when you lay that in front of them during an audit... Thanks; dju

03-22-2010, 09:34 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dave, I think you can get an approved C&R record book from BATF, unless they've discontinued providing them. You can also buy bound ledger books at office supply stores, Staples, Office Depot, etc. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-22-2010, 09:37 AM	#3
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	I'm a new C&R and found the bound book, numbered pages at, surprisingly, 'Staples', the office supply place. FN Last edited by FNorm; 03-22-2010 at 06:58 PM. Reason: add

03-22-2010, 12:10 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	"About a million years ago" ??? David, I thought you looked familiar, to quote the late Elmer Keith "Hell, I was there!" __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-22-2010, 06:49 PM	#8
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	David, I got mine thru RK Enterprises. Their website doesn't work, so I called them. Their bound book is real nice. Mike http://www.rkffl.com/ __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

03-22-2010, 09:38 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Brownels has them I believe

03-22-2010, 10:06 AM	#5
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	They are also advertised for sale in Shotgun News and Gun Digest.

03-22-2010, 06:10 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Actually I was a class 3 FFL up until Clinton's Veep Lloyd Benson made comments about how there are more gun dealers than McDonalds. Then the ATF raised the rent and harassed all the not-so-serious guys out of business. Oh well, life went on. dju

03-22-2010, 08:27 PM	#9
paradox998 User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't' buy anything. Go to Surplusrifle.com and download a sample boundbook page as a pdf. Look under the C&R tab. Print a few copies, 3-hole punch and into a notebook. All done. The "book" does not have to be bound like a printed book.

03-22-2010, 08:39 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Thank you all!

03-22-2010, 10:08 PM	#11
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 222 Times in 96 Posts	David, Be aware that some BATFE Agents don't consider a loose leaf notebook a " bound book ". I'm not going to tempt fate!! Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA

03-27-2010, 04:14 PM	#12
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I have been using the one from Surplusrifle.com since I got my license in 2000. The pages are two hole punched and in a cover with two of those little brass tab thingys that you put thru the hole and fold back the tabs. When I got inspected last year the ATF agent commented that he had never seen a book like that before, but it has all the information needed in it and looks just like the example in the BATF book. He said it was ok to use! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

03-27-2010, 05:40 PM	#13
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Same here. Here's the address: http://www.surplusrifle.com/graphics/boundbookpage.pdf

03-27-2010, 06:14 PM	#14
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Can "bound" book be as simple as printing the pages from your computer copy of the contents, and stapling them together to "bind" them? Marc