Somebody to Work on my Luger in Brazil

Leonardo Singer · 01-08-2010, 09:51 AM

Greetings,

I am from Brazil and have a family gun that is, according to its characteristics and marks (B-U-G 11835 and B-U, with no engraving over chamber), a P08 9mm (DMW) 1902-1908.

Unfortunatelly, this Luger had been stored inapropriatelly during many years before it was given to me and, although it is not broken or in bad shape, it needs some good care (remove some rust and check mechanisms and parts).

Hence, I am in need of an advice: Does anyone here know somebody who lives in Brazil and could work on my Luger appropriately?

Thank you for the help, sorry about the broken English
Best Regards

Leo

Mike B · 01-08-2010, 12:52 PM

Leo,
I cannot help you with your request for a gunsmith in Brazil. However, I must ask: Is 11835 the serial number? There are members on this forum that know a lot more about this than I do, but if this is the serial number, you might have a somewhat rare Luger. Please add pictures to your posting.
Thanks,
Mike

Leonardo Singer · 01-08-2010, 01:45 PM

Hello Mike,

Oh boy, I was expecting a negative answer. Thank you very much for answering anyway. Brazil is not a "gun friendly" country and thats why a gunsmith here is so rare. Let alone one with knowledge of Luger poistols manufacturing.

Regarding the serial:

No, its serial is 44945. The number I refeered (11835) is part of a proofmark (number 2 in Technical Information/MARKINGS/PROOFMARKS/PROOF1/iten 2) which is located below the barrel.

It is displayed as the letters B, U and G in an upside-down triangle position. Above each letter there is a pentagon. Below the letters there is this number: 11835.

My Luger displays also proofmak number 3 shown in the same section (Technical Information/MARKINGS/PROOFMARKS/PROOF1/iten 3).

It is not military and has DMW logo, but no contract symbol next to it. So, I presume it is a commercial one. Besides, it is all dark, with dark grip.

I am not sure it is rare. Though, I am almost sure it is the kind of 9mm produced between 1902-1908.

Nevertheless, I will send pictures later.

Thanks a lot.
Leo

Mike B · 01-08-2010, 02:41 PM

Leo,
That number (11835) is a measurement of the bore diameter. It should have a comma, after the third numeral. Does the Luger have a grip safety?

Mike

Leonardo Singer · 01-08-2010, 03:39 PM

Yes, there is a comma after the number 8. Nope, no grip safety only thumb safety.

Leo

Ron Wood · 01-08-2010, 04:06 PM

Leo,
You have a Model 1908 Commercial. The 118,35 is the old method of indicating caliber and represents the number of 9mm round lead balls required to make a pound. It is not particularly rare, but it is uncommon and is a desirable collector item. Hopefully the amount of rust is not extensive. Until you find a gunsmith I would recommend that you keep the gun well oiled to stop the rust and prevent further damage. Rebluing the gun is strongly discouraged as that will destroy most of the collector value. We would very much like to see photos when you can send them.

I believe there are one or two members of this forum that are from Brazil. Perhaps they will notice this thread and be able to assist you. By the way, your English is excellent and far better than my non-existent Portuguese!

Best regards,
Ron

Leonardo Singer · 01-08-2010, 05:57 PM

Mike and Ron,

Thanks!

I have just put my hands on this pistol and feel it needs urgent attention. I will follow your advices and oil it so as to hinder further damage. Yet, I will not give up on finding a gunsmith. The rust damage is relatively extensive, though it wont get worse.

This is a picture of DMW Logo

Leonardo Singer · 01-08-2010, 06:01 PM

Another picture.

Leonardo Singer · 01-08-2010, 06:03 PM

Finally ... the other side.
I was checking number of parts and all of them show the number 45. It seems the pistol is all original.

Ron Wood · 01-08-2010, 08:07 PM

Leo,
Thanks for the photos. Given the condition of the gun, I would encourage you to give it immediate attention and use oil liberally to remove the active red rust with 0000 steel wool. It will not further damage the blueing and will consideably improve the appearance and halt the rusting process. After cleaning, a lighter application of oil or silicone will protect the finish. Remove the grips to access the rust that is undoubtedly active there. Be particlarly careful in the removal of the left grip so that you do not break off the small portion of the grip under the thumb safety. Good luck.
Ron

ecaramaschi · 01-08-2010, 09:32 PM

I do live in Brazil, and I will be glad to help you if you want.
my personal email is emiliano@caramaschi.com.br.
BTW, where do you live in Brazil?

Ron Wood · 01-08-2010, 09:48 PM

Emiliano,
I was hoping you would respond to this thread!
Best regards,
Ron

ecaramaschi · 01-08-2010, 10:34 PM

Ron,

Indeed, I read this forum everyday, but I am to shy to post...

I will contact you by email soon, I have bought a new item that surely you will like. As soon as I have it in my hands, I will send you some photos.

Regards,

Emiliano

alamar · 01-08-2010, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

use oil liberally to remove the active red rust with 0000 steel wool. It will not further damage the blueing

Ron

Can you confirm what I quoted from you above. I too did this on a number of milsurps that i have restored in the past (rifles). Recently, after posting this method, I go ripped into a bit on another forum. I have never seen any negative impact from this process, but am now doubting myself due to the thrashing I got.

In other words give me the warm fuzzies please!

alamar · 01-08-2010, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecaramaschi

but I am to shy to post...

Yes, tell me about it. i am in awe of the knowledge on this board.

Ron Wood · 01-09-2010, 10:25 AM

Al,
I suspect the individuals that gave you the thrashing had lots of opinions but very little, if any, experience. Like you, I have never seen any negative impact from this process, and I have cleaned a bunch of guns. There are better products than 0000 steel wool, but they are not significantly better and they are usually difficult to find. One of these products is called "Big 45 Frontier Metal Cleaner". It is made from a special metal alloy and looks like one of those coarse metal pot scrubbers, but according to the packaging it "Does twice the job of steel wool, but will not harm the finest blued surface". I have used it and can confirm that it doesn't harm the blue. They have a website www.big45metalcleaner.com

tomaustin · 01-09-2010, 12:51 PM

the metalworks in the oil. there are good discussions of the takedown procedure on this forum.....tom

jamese · 01-10-2010, 09:46 AM

I have found a product called "chor-boy" works very well too!. This product is in wide spread use in the financially challenged areas of any small or major city(ghetto). Almost every store in those areas carry it.
If you can't find it, ask any crack user where to buy it. They can point you in the right direction.
its alot cheaper than Brownells stainless steel wool and works just as well.

its pronounced "Chore boy" originially manufactured as a pot/pan scrubber

Jim

tomaustin · 01-10-2010, 01:57 PM

about the proper cleaning of my guns...most of them just use them once and into the river they go.......

ken d · 01-10-2010, 04:52 PM

Leo:
From your pictures it appears the stock lug may be missing from your "08" frame.
Can you provide a picture of the rear of the grip?

Regards Ken D

01-08-2010, 09:51 AM	#1
Leonardo Singer User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Somebody to Work on my Luger in Brazil Greetings, I am from Brazil and have a family gun that is, according to its characteristics and marks (B-U-G 11835 and B-U, with no engraving over chamber), a P08 9mm (DMW) 1902-1908. Unfortunatelly, this Luger had been stored inapropriatelly during many years before it was given to me and, although it is not broken or in bad shape, it needs some good care (remove some rust and check mechanisms and parts). Hence, I am in need of an advice: Does anyone here know somebody who lives in Brazil and could work on my Luger appropriately? Thank you for the help, sorry about the broken English Best Regards Leo

01-08-2010, 01:45 PM	#3
Leonardo Singer User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger in Brazil Hello Mike, Oh boy, I was expecting a negative answer. Thank you very much for answering anyway. Brazil is not a "gun friendly" country and thats why a gunsmith here is so rare. Let alone one with knowledge of Luger poistols manufacturing. Regarding the serial: No, its serial is 44945. The number I refeered (11835) is part of a proofmark (number 2 in Technical Information/MARKINGS/PROOFMARKS/PROOF1/iten 2) which is located below the barrel. It is displayed as the letters B, U and G in an upside-down triangle position. Above each letter there is a pentagon. Below the letters there is this number: 11835. My Luger displays also proofmak number 3 shown in the same section (Technical Information/MARKINGS/PROOFMARKS/PROOF1/iten 3). It is not military and has DMW logo, but no contract symbol next to it. So, I presume it is a commercial one. Besides, it is all dark, with dark grip. I am not sure it is rare. Though, I am almost sure it is the kind of 9mm produced between 1902-1908. Nevertheless, I will send pictures later. Thanks a lot. Leo

01-08-2010, 04:06 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Leo, You have a Model 1908 Commercial. The 118,35 is the old method of indicating caliber and represents the number of 9mm round lead balls required to make a pound. It is not particularly rare, but it is uncommon and is a desirable collector item. Hopefully the amount of rust is not extensive. Until you find a gunsmith I would recommend that you keep the gun well oiled to stop the rust and prevent further damage. Rebluing the gun is strongly discouraged as that will destroy most of the collector value. We would very much like to see photos when you can send them. I believe there are one or two members of this forum that are from Brazil. Perhaps they will notice this thread and be able to assist you. By the way, your English is excellent and far better than my non-existent Portuguese! Best regards, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-08-2010, 05:57 PM	#7
Leonardo Singer User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike and Ron, Thanks! I have just put my hands on this pistol and feel it needs urgent attention. I will follow your advices and oil it so as to hinder further damage. Yet, I will not give up on finding a gunsmith. The rust damage is relatively extensive, though it wont get worse. This is a picture of DMW Logo Attached Thumbnails

01-08-2010, 06:01 PM	#8
Leonardo Singer User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another picture. Attached Thumbnails

01-08-2010, 12:52 PM	#2
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Leo, I cannot help you with your request for a gunsmith in Brazil. However, I must ask: Is 11835 the serial number? There are members on this forum that know a lot more about this than I do, but if this is the serial number, you might have a somewhat rare Luger. Please add pictures to your posting. Thanks, Mike

01-08-2010, 02:41 PM	#4
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Leo, That number (11835) is a measurement of the bore diameter. It should have a comma, after the third numeral. Does the Luger have a grip safety? Mike

01-08-2010, 03:39 PM	#5
Leonardo Singer User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, there is a comma after the number 8. Nope, no grip safety only thumb safety. Leo

01-08-2010, 06:03 PM	#9
Leonardo Singer User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Finally ... the other side. I was checking number of parts and all of them show the number 45. It seems the pistol is all original. Attached Thumbnails

01-08-2010, 08:07 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Leo, Thanks for the photos. Given the condition of the gun, I would encourage you to give it immediate attention and use oil liberally to remove the active red rust with 0000 steel wool. It will not further damage the blueing and will consideably improve the appearance and halt the rusting process. After cleaning, a lighter application of oil or silicone will protect the finish. Remove the grips to access the rust that is undoubtedly active there. Be particlarly careful in the removal of the left grip so that you do not break off the small portion of the grip under the thumb safety. Good luck. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-08-2010, 09:32 PM	#11
ecaramaschi User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 10 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Leonardo I do live in Brazil, and I will be glad to help you if you want. my personal email is emiliano@caramaschi.com.br. BTW, where do you live in Brazil?

01-08-2010, 09:48 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Emiliano, I was hoping you would respond to this thread! Best regards, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-08-2010, 10:34 PM	#13
ecaramaschi User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 10 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, Indeed, I read this forum everyday, but I am to shy to post... I will contact you by email soon, I have bought a new item that surely you will like. As soon as I have it in my hands, I will send you some photos. Regards, Emiliano Last edited by ecaramaschi; 01-08-2010 at 10:35 PM. Reason: grammar checking...

01-09-2010, 10:25 AM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Al, I suspect the individuals that gave you the thrashing had lots of opinions but very little, if any, experience. Like you, I have never seen any negative impact from this process, and I have cleaned a bunch of guns. There are better products than 0000 steel wool, but they are not significantly better and they are usually difficult to find. One of these products is called "Big 45 Frontier Metal Cleaner". It is made from a special metal alloy and looks like one of those coarse metal pot scrubbers, but according to the packaging it "Does twice the job of steel wool, but will not harm the finest blued surface". I have used it and can confirm that it doesn't harm the blue. They have a website www.big45metalcleaner.com __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-09-2010, 12:51 PM	#17
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	PLEASE, carefully remove the grips BEFORE bathing the metalworks in the oil. there are good discussions of the takedown procedure on this forum.....tom

01-10-2010, 09:46 AM	#18
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	I have found a product called "chor-boy" works very well too!. This product is in wide spread use in the financially challenged areas of any small or major city(ghetto). Almost every store in those areas carry it. If you can't find it, ask any crack user where to buy it. They can point you in the right direction. its alot cheaper than Brownells stainless steel wool and works just as well. its pronounced "Chore boy" originially manufactured as a pot/pan scrubber Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

01-10-2010, 01:57 PM	#19
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	damn jamese, i never thought about asking my criminal clients about the proper cleaning of my guns...most of them just use them once and into the river they go.......

01-10-2010, 04:52 PM	#20
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Leo: From your pictures it appears the stock lug may be missing from your "08" frame. Can you provide a picture of the rear of the grip? Regards Ken D