What I'm about to buy

P08Luger86 · 09-29-2009, 01:41 PM

I noticed in the photo gallery's that people have posted some images of PP/PPk's

I happen to be buying one this wed.!

They are based on the P38 correct? (or am I mistaken)??

Ron Smith · 09-29-2009, 01:52 PM

Hi Joshua,

The Walther PP and PPK are totally different than the P.38. PP is a pocket auto, the PPK is a smaller ,shortened or compact, version of the PP. The P.38 is a full sized combat pistol which replaced the Luger. An all together different design.

Photo 1: Walther PP "Polizeipistole" 7.65MM or 9MM Kurz (.22 LR,.32 ACP or .380 ACP)

Photo 2: Walther PPK "Polizeipistole Kurz"(short) 7.65MM or 9MM Kurz (.22 LR,.32 ACP or .380 ACP)

Photo 3: Walther P.38 9MM Parabellum (9MM Luger) Some commercial variations were made in .22LR and 7.65 Parabellum (.30 Luger) Post war version is classified as P.1.

Ron

P08Luger86 · 09-29-2009, 02:11 PM

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the correction. (I wasn't too sure), - Was the PP/PPK used as a military weapon besides as a police arm?

I read on the internet it was developed during the Nazi regime... But you never can trust wikipedia! ;-)

Ron Smith · 09-29-2009, 02:20 PM

Yes, it was a favorite of military officers. And was used more by the military than the police. The designation "PP" stands for "Police Pistol" however. The Walther PP was introduced in 1929.

Ron

suum cuique · 09-29-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Smith

Hi Joshua,

The Walther PP and PPK are totally different than the P.38. PP is a pocket auto, the PPK is a smaller ,shortened or compact, version of the PP. The P.38 is a full sized combat pistol which replaced the Luger. An all together different design.

Photo 1: Walther PP "Polizeipistole" 7.65MM or 9MM Kurz (.22 LR,.32 ACP or .380 ACP)

Photo 2: Walther PPK "Polizeipistole Kurz"(short) 7.65MM or 9MM Kurz (.22 LR,.32 ACP or .380 ACP)

Photo 3: Walther P.38 9MM Parabellum (9MM Luger) Some commercial variations were made in .22LR and 7.65 Parabellum (.30 Luger) Post war version is classified as P.1.

Ron

Ron,
PPK stands for Polizeipistole Kriminal, not kurz.
This is a common mistake.
Andy

Ron Smith · 09-29-2009, 02:33 PM

Andy,

You are correct. I had Kurz stuck in my head thinking of the caliber.
Thanks for the correction.

"Kriminal" identifies plain clothes police.

Ron

P08Luger86 · 09-29-2009, 02:42 PM

Thanks for the info guys!

Is there any draw-backs or problems I should know about the PPK? - I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who ones one.

John Sabato · 09-29-2009, 03:05 PM

You should visit our "sister" forum for all three of the guns you mentioned:

p38forum.com

You will be reading for DAYS!

alanint · 09-29-2009, 03:28 PM

Joshua,

If you are buying an original German PPK, they tend to be rather small in the grip area for modern, larger hands. They are best fired with the magazine, which includes a finger extention floorplate.
If you are buying an Interarms PPK, remember that there are two very different pistols with that designation. The PPK is faithful to the German original. The PPK/S is a combination of the shorter PPK slide with the larger PP frame. It is a hybrid. It can be spotted quickly because it has a solid frame backstrap, which surrounds the grips. The original PPK does not have a solid, wraparound frame, (one of its weak points). The grip panels are like the P38s, in that they meet at the back to form the grip surface. If a PPK, (or a P38, for that matter) is dropped and it lands on the back portion of the grips, these will tend to shatter, possibly damaging the mainspring, which lies just beneath and making the pistol difficult or impossible to hold or fire.
Take the grip panels off and try to hold the gun to get an idea of what I mean.

P08Luger86 · 09-29-2009, 03:42 PM

Hey - thanks for the info alanint,

I'm glad I have really skinny hands and fingers! - I was born with really long thin fingers. My Father is a professional organist, I was told I have the perfect fingers to play because they are so long and thin! But I never took it up,

ANYWAY,

I'll let ya'll know when I get it. - John S. - I've also checked out the P38/PPK forum, signed up and posted.

Thanks everyone!

Lugerdoc · 09-29-2009, 08:08 PM

Joshua, Ron et al; As was mentioned above the PP was first introduced in 1929 and went thru quite a few mechanical improvements, before Walther started designing their DA (same basic system as the PP) in 9mm for the militay. Get some books and see how the PP evolved thru the models MP & AP to finally become the HP and P38. TH

alvin · 09-29-2009, 09:06 PM

In pocket pistols, PPK is the prettiest.

09-29-2009, 01:41 PM	#1
P08Luger86 User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What I'm about to buy I noticed in the photo gallery's that people have posted some images of PP/PPk's I happen to be buying one this wed.! They are based on the P38 correct? (or am I mistaken)??

09-29-2009, 01:52 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Joshua, The Walther PP and PPK are totally different than the P.38. PP is a pocket auto, the PPK is a smaller ,shortened or compact, version of the PP. The P.38 is a full sized combat pistol which replaced the Luger. An all together different design. Photo 1: Walther PP "Polizeipistole" 7.65MM or 9MM Kurz (.22 LR,.32 ACP or .380 ACP) Photo 2: Walther PPK "Polizeipistole Kurz"(short) 7.65MM or 9MM Kurz (.22 LR,.32 ACP or .380 ACP) Photo 3: Walther P.38 9MM Parabellum (9MM Luger) Some commercial variations were made in .22LR and 7.65 Parabellum (.30 Luger) Post war version is classified as P.1. Ron Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-29-2009, 02:11 PM	#3
P08Luger86 User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Hi Ron, Thanks for the correction. (I wasn't too sure), - Was the PP/PPK used as a military weapon besides as a police arm? I read on the internet it was developed during the Nazi regime... But you never can trust wikipedia! ;-)

09-29-2009, 02:20 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Yes, it was a favorite of military officers. And was used more by the military than the police. The designation "PP" stands for "Police Pistol" however. The Walther PP was introduced in 1929. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-29-2009, 02:33 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Andy, You are correct. I had Kurz stuck in my head thinking of the caliber. Thanks for the correction. "Kriminal" identifies plain clothes police. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-29-2009, 02:42 PM	#7
P08Luger86 User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info guys! Is there any draw-backs or problems I should know about the PPK? - I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who ones one.

09-29-2009, 03:05 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	You should visit our "sister" forum for all three of the guns you mentioned: p38forum.com You will be reading for DAYS! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-29-2009, 03:28 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Joshua, If you are buying an original German PPK, they tend to be rather small in the grip area for modern, larger hands. They are best fired with the magazine, which includes a finger extention floorplate. If you are buying an Interarms PPK, remember that there are two very different pistols with that designation. The PPK is faithful to the German original. The PPK/S is a combination of the shorter PPK slide with the larger PP frame. It is a hybrid. It can be spotted quickly because it has a solid frame backstrap, which surrounds the grips. The original PPK does not have a solid, wraparound frame, (one of its weak points). The grip panels are like the P38s, in that they meet at the back to form the grip surface. If a PPK, (or a P38, for that matter) is dropped and it lands on the back portion of the grips, these will tend to shatter, possibly damaging the mainspring, which lies just beneath and making the pistol difficult or impossible to hold or fire. Take the grip panels off and try to hold the gun to get an idea of what I mean.

09-29-2009, 03:42 PM	#10
P08Luger86 User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey - thanks for the info alanint, I'm glad I have really skinny hands and fingers! - I was born with really long thin fingers. My Father is a professional organist, I was told I have the perfect fingers to play because they are so long and thin! But I never took it up, ANYWAY, I'll let ya'll know when I get it. - John S. - I've also checked out the P38/PPK forum, signed up and posted. Thanks everyone!

09-29-2009, 08:08 PM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Joshua, Ron et al; As was mentioned above the PP was first introduced in 1929 and went thru quite a few mechanical improvements, before Walther started designing their DA (same basic system as the PP) in 9mm for the militay. Get some books and see how the PP evolved thru the models MP & AP to finally become the HP and P38. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-29-2009, 09:06 PM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	In pocket pistols, PPK is the prettiest.