1910 Police...

thegundude · 11-20-2007, 02:42 PM

Just picked this up at auction. Did I do alright?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=84466677

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2007, 06:25 PM

no, Steve, I think you should let me take it off of yourhands

As a nice rep piece and also any pre-1913 is nice to have!

Ed

thegundude · 11-20-2007, 07:44 PM

Thanks, Ed. If you like it then it must be okay...

I always wanted a Police safety, I'm just not sure what to expect in one.

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2007, 08:24 PM

well Steve, you do know that I collect police lugers?

seriously, that is what I first started collecting, still have a couple of them, besides those uggie Simson's

Ed

thegundude · 11-20-2007, 09:07 PM

LOL! Yeah, Ed. So I gathered... I'd collect Simsons too if I only had the dough...

I've been trying to get at least one of each basic type of Luger and the Police was high on the list. I hope this one is worth the having... I figure that eight bills ain't too bad of a deal on any Luger, even a rearsenaled Police...

It comes with two commercial, wood bottomed mags, those alone should be worth a couple of hundred bucks.

Ha, ha! I always do this... try to rationalize impulse buys. This is why I never tell my girlfriend about guns I've bought. She has no idea how many are even in the vault anymore. Adding them, one at a time.

thegundude · 11-20-2007, 09:21 PM

Dang, Ed! I was just over at Jan's forum and saw you have a police listed there on the trader forum! I wish I had checked there first before placing the bid on this one...

(Steve kicks self, yet again...)

DaveL · 11-21-2007, 07:32 AM

I have a newbe question. I don't see any strawing on this Lugar. Does that mean that it has been reblued?
TIA
Dave

thegundude · 11-21-2007, 08:48 AM

Yes, Dave. Police issue guns are ones that have been arsenal refurbed, fitted with a safety sear, renumbered, etc... and issued to German police.

As far as I know, all Police Lugers have been reblued, etc...

policeluger · 11-21-2007, 09:38 AM

Original pre 1945 police Lugers we not all arsenal refinished, not by a long shot...and of those that were, the straw parts were not blued....DDR gun would not be so treated and of course we dip blued small straw parts and all.....DaveL please be careful and ask lots of questions before you buy.

thegundude · 11-21-2007, 10:47 AM

Again, my ignorance is on display for all to see...

Thanks for the education, Howard.

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2007, 11:07 AM

Steve, it is a common misonception. Police lugers came from many sources;

1. Imperial lugers, sometimes they were completely refurbished, sometimes not
2. DWM New manufacture in the 1920's (probably 1919-1921) and then late 1920's
3. New simson manufacture, some in the mid 1920's, many more early 1933-34 timeframe
4. Mauser made police guns late 1930's on...
5. A small number of kreighoffs were made into police with sear safetys
6. Then they recieved sear and sometimes mag safety's 1932 with mag safetys coming off in the late 1930's

When they went in for sear safety and / or when they went for magazine safety removal, they had a large hole that had to be fixed (but not always), so they could ahve been refurbished then. Also, if a gun needed to be refurbished, they would be (i.e. normal wear and tear...)

Ed

thegundude · 11-21-2007, 01:05 PM

Thanks, Ed. Wow, there are a lot more sources of Police Lugers than I thought! This is why I hang around here so much.

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
3. New simson manufacture, some in the mid 1920's, many more early 1933-34 timeframe.

Ahh. That explains your easy and natural transition to Simsons...

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2007, 04:22 PM

Weimar era man, weimar era

thegundude · 11-21-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
Weimar era man, weimar era

Weimaraner? What do large German hunting dogs have to do with anything?

Just when I thought I was getting the hang of these Luger gun things, you throw that at me...

Jack Lawman · 11-25-2007, 09:35 PM

Here is an intersting read I just came across. It's a summary of the Weimar police experience. The work references firearms for the police... "Nor was there money for modernization, such as buying new forensic equipment or firearms." Interesting article, but I'll let Ed comment on its accuracy:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php...uleId=10005465

Jack

Edward Tinker · 11-25-2007, 10:14 PM

Sounds right

there is a book, The Berlin Police Force In The Weimar Republic, by Liang, Hsi-huey, it is a bit dry and harder to read, one of the few books on Weimar Police. I need to read it again.

Jack, haven't "heard" from you in a long while, hope things have been ok?

Ed

Jack Lawman · 11-25-2007, 10:35 PM

Ed,
I'm trying to behave. Everything is going well (thanks for asking). I'm getting in shape for Louisville, I'm going to the P38 conference. I don't get away too often, but I hear the SOS is well worth the trip. This will be my first major show. As long as I can get off the ground in Feb... I'll be there.

Jack

Ron Smith · 11-26-2007, 10:38 AM

Hey Steve,

You done real good on the Luger. Congrats!!

Start reading about the Weimar Era in Germany. Everyone seems to think it was just kind of a laid back, ho-hum, period. It was actually the opposite.

Freikorps (independently led Militarist groups) were having running gun battles with the Police and the Army. The Army was in-turn having gun battles with the Police. Different Police factions were even shooting at each other.

The Anarchists and Communists were shooting it out with everybody. There was an average of 20-30 political assassinations per month. And the whole time this was going on the Army and LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (State police) were on the Eastern Frontier trying to keep the Czechs and Poles from overrunning the country.

It was a real Wild West Show until they started getting things under control in the mid to late 20s.

This is the best book that I have found on the Weimar era. It's long out of print, but turns up on eBay and the on-line book sites now and then.

Ron

thegundude · 11-26-2007, 11:36 AM

Thanks, Ron. I can't wait to get it into my hands and start learning about Police Lugers. I'll start looking for that book now. I love out of print books...

Balder · 11-26-2007, 11:56 AM

Gentlemen,

The Weimar period was in deed a fascinating time. I've always been interested in military history and I have a pretty good grip on WW2. When I started acquiring Imperial Lugers and also one 1920 police I had to look into German military and political history from those periods as well. I've also visited the city of Weimar on several occasions, a beautiful and interesting place.

Last Saturday I acquired a crate of old books from an estate, including a signed(!) copy of Franz von Papens memoirs. Highly interesting and recommended reading, he covers the 20th century from start to the late 1940's.

Regards,

Balder

11-20-2007, 02:42 PM	#1
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	1910 Police... Just picked this up at auction. Did I do alright? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=84466677 __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-20-2007, 06:25 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	no, Steve, I think you should let me take it off of yourhands As a nice rep piece and also any pre-1913 is nice to have! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-20-2007, 07:44 PM	#3
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks, Ed. If you like it then it must be okay... I always wanted a Police safety, I'm just not sure what to expect in one. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-20-2007, 08:24 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	well Steve, you do know that I collect police lugers? seriously, that is what I first started collecting, still have a couple of them, besides those uggie Simson's Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-20-2007, 09:07 PM	#5
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	LOL! Yeah, Ed. So I gathered... I'd collect Simsons too if I only had the dough... I've been trying to get at least one of each basic type of Luger and the Police was high on the list. I hope this one is worth the having... I figure that eight bills ain't too bad of a deal on any Luger, even a rearsenaled Police... It comes with two commercial, wood bottomed mags, those alone should be worth a couple of hundred bucks. Ha, ha! I always do this... try to rationalize impulse buys. This is why I never tell my girlfriend about guns I've bought. She has no idea how many are even in the vault anymore. Adding them, one at a time. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-20-2007, 09:21 PM	#6
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Dang, Ed! I was just over at Jan's forum and saw you have a police listed there on the trader forum! I wish I had checked there first before placing the bid on this one... (Steve kicks self, yet again...) __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-21-2007, 07:32 AM	#7
DaveL User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 22 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a newbe question. I don't see any strawing on this Lugar. Does that mean that it has been reblued? TIA Dave

11-21-2007, 08:48 AM	#8
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Yes, Dave. Police issue guns are ones that have been arsenal refurbed, fitted with a safety sear, renumbered, etc... and issued to German police. As far as I know, all Police Lugers have been reblued, etc... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-21-2007, 09:38 AM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Original pre 1945 police Lugers we not all arsenal refinished, not by a long shot...and of those that were, the straw parts were not blued....DDR gun would not be so treated and of course we dip blued small straw parts and all.....DaveL please be careful and ask lots of questions before you buy.

11-21-2007, 10:47 AM	#10
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Again, my ignorance is on display for all to see... Thanks for the education, Howard. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-21-2007, 11:07 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Steve, it is a common misonception. Police lugers came from many sources; 1. Imperial lugers, sometimes they were completely refurbished, sometimes not 2. DWM New manufacture in the 1920's (probably 1919-1921) and then late 1920's 3. New simson manufacture, some in the mid 1920's, many more early 1933-34 timeframe 4. Mauser made police guns late 1930's on... 5. A small number of kreighoffs were made into police with sear safetys 6. Then they recieved sear and sometimes mag safety's 1932 with mag safetys coming off in the late 1930's When they went in for sear safety and / or when they went for magazine safety removal, they had a large hole that had to be fixed (but not always), so they could ahve been refurbished then. Also, if a gun needed to be refurbished, they would be (i.e. normal wear and tear...) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-21-2007, 04:22 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Weimar era man, weimar era __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-25-2007, 09:35 PM	#15
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Interesting read Here is an intersting read I just came across. It's a summary of the Weimar police experience. The work references firearms for the police... "Nor was there money for modernization, such as buying new forensic equipment or firearms." Interesting article, but I'll let Ed comment on its accuracy: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php...uleId=10005465 Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

11-25-2007, 10:14 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Sounds right there is a book, The Berlin Police Force In The Weimar Republic, by Liang, Hsi-huey, it is a bit dry and harder to read, one of the few books on Weimar Police. I need to read it again. Jack, haven't "heard" from you in a long while, hope things have been ok? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-25-2007, 10:35 PM	#17
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Ed, I'm trying to behave. Everything is going well (thanks for asking). I'm getting in shape for Louisville, I'm going to the P38 conference. I don't get away too often, but I hear the SOS is well worth the trip. This will be my first major show. As long as I can get off the ground in Feb... I'll be there. Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

11-26-2007, 10:38 AM	#18
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hey Steve, You done real good on the Luger. Congrats!! Start reading about the Weimar Era in Germany. Everyone seems to think it was just kind of a laid back, ho-hum, period. It was actually the opposite. Freikorps (independently led Militarist groups) were having running gun battles with the Police and the Army. The Army was in-turn having gun battles with the Police. Different Police factions were even shooting at each other. The Anarchists and Communists were shooting it out with everybody. There was an average of 20-30 political assassinations per month. And the whole time this was going on the Army and LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (State police) were on the Eastern Frontier trying to keep the Czechs and Poles from overrunning the country. It was a real Wild West Show until they started getting things under control in the mid to late 20s. This is the best book that I have found on the Weimar era. It's long out of print, but turns up on eBay and the on-line book sites now and then. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-26-2007, 11:36 AM	#19
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks, Ron. I can't wait to get it into my hands and start learning about Police Lugers. I'll start looking for that book now. I love out of print books... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

11-26-2007, 11:56 AM	#20
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Gentlemen, The Weimar period was in deed a fascinating time. I've always been interested in military history and I have a pretty good grip on WW2. When I started acquiring Imperial Lugers and also one 1920 police I had to look into German military and political history from those periods as well. I've also visited the city of Weimar on several occasions, a beautiful and interesting place. Last Saturday I acquired a crate of old books from an estate, including a signed(!) copy of Franz von Papens memoirs. Highly interesting and recommended reading, he covers the 20th century from start to the late 1940's. Regards, Balder