navy arms co.

thekenbrothers · 08-17-2007, 09:57 PM

Can anyone tell me the story of the Luger and Navy Arms Co.
I cant find any information on a .22 Luger from Navy Arms Co.

Thanks in advanced,
Ken

Edward Tinker · 08-17-2007, 10:26 PM

Ken, welcome to the forum. I have never heard of a luger made by Navy Arms Co. I am assuming you are talking about the luger "look-a-likes" that look like lugers but are not true lugers?

Stoeger had a 22 luger and there was a look a like that was a carbine.

Actual lugers were made in 7.65mm and in 9mm, all prior to WW2.

Mauser re-did the luger in the 1970's and then there were other post-war lugers made (but in 9mm).

This is navy arms, they make recreations of american arms, but I did not see anything on lugers...
http://www.navyarms.com/html/products.html

Aaron · 08-17-2007, 10:38 PM

Where did you come up with the name "Navy Arms Co.?" It has nothing to do with Lugers. Are you possibly referring to a "Navy Luger?"

thekenbrothers · 08-17-2007, 10:57 PM

hey thanks Edward for the welcome,I went to the navy arms website about a month ago and couldn't find nothing on this luger.22
When I seen the word LUGER on the gun the haggling was on and ended up trading a 3 year old colman 18 volt drill and circular saw.....so i'm at websites looking at lugers for sale and the jaw is dropping as I'm looking at prices and then seeing a sale for a 22 kit for 1200.00??whats up with that?...but anyways I was just in AWW.....but i come here and maybe I would find category of navy lugers..hehe.....that was over quick...so i'm pretty much at a loss.but thanks for the welcome and the info.

Ken

thekenbrothers · 08-17-2007, 10:58 PM

It says Navy Arms Co. on the Luger

Edward Tinker · 08-17-2007, 11:14 PM

ken, what else does it say on the luger? Can you provide pictures?

Ed

thekenbrothers · 08-17-2007, 11:50 PM

NAVY ARMS CO: RIDGEFIELD. N.J. USA
.22 L.R
ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THIS:
(((LUGER)))
REG OR REQ US PAT OFF

On the top it has a cross hairs with 2 eagles in the middle

I took pics but it says the file is to big...any ideas?

thekenbrothers · 08-17-2007, 11:59 PM

we'll try this

thekenbrothers · 08-18-2007, 12:02 AM

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Alx · 08-18-2007, 02:54 AM

It looks like just like the Stoeger Luger .22. The Luger logo is the same as Stoeger's USA copyrighted. Could it have come from the same factory production ( maybe foreign) but have been imported and branded by Navy Arms prior to the Stoeger branded era ?
Or possibly, Stoeger production, sold over-seas, and re-imported later by N.A.

Lugerdoc · 08-18-2007, 09:49 AM

After Stoeger discontinued making their .22lr luger copy, Navy Arms continued to market them. TH

thekenbrothers · 08-18-2007, 11:55 AM

Do I have the poor mans corvette??Would this have any value?

Pete Ebbink · 08-18-2007, 11:57 AM

Hi Ken,

More like a Ford Fiesta...

I see them sell in the $ 175-200 range around me...

thekenbrothers · 08-18-2007, 11:57 AM

thekenbrothers · 08-18-2007, 11:59 AM

lol...thanks pete...we considered the Opel as the poor mans corvette...member the Opel?

Pete Ebbink · 08-18-2007, 12:27 PM

Yep...had two of the Opel GT's in the early 1970's. Great fun cars to drive...

the gunman · 08-18-2007, 12:27 PM

Gentleman got one of these in the box with spare magazine. Would take 250.00 for it shipped to your ffl.

MFC · 08-19-2007, 01:08 AM

I've had my Stoeger 22lr since I was 13. I fell in love with Lugers before that, when I saw my uncles collection of (real) Lugers. I saved my money from odd jobs and it was the first gun I ever bought. It was purchased by my older brother who was old enough at the time. It was the only (Luger) I could afford.
Since then I've shot thousands of rounds through it with no malfuntions. It's never jammed no matter what kind of ammo I put in it... whatever was on sale. It's also one of the most accurate guns I've shot, and I've shot plenty.
I always here negative things about them and don't know why. I guess just because I'm bragging about it, the next time I shoot it , it'll explode.
Mike C.

Lugerdoc · 08-19-2007, 08:59 AM

As far as most are concerned, these pistols only have value as shooters and best shot with high velocity .22LR, such as Super Vel. That said, they are still more reliable than the Erma .22 copies. TH

Alx · 08-20-2007, 07:43 PM

I had one, with an unnoticed hairline crack in the receiver right over the barrel, 'thought it was a mold seam, 'cause it was straight. It never fed reliably, was poorly engineered and constructed, IMHO. Sheet metal toggle parts, alloy frame (not too bad), steel barrel screwed into an alloy fork, (not too good ).
The worst thing is the distorted shape of the rear of the gun. Big Ermas look no better. The shape of a real Luger is so refined and well balanced, that just any approximate copy is likely to look awful. The only Luger copy I have ever seen with a proportionally correct shape is the smaller Erma Luger KGP models KGP69 in .22LR, and the KGP68/a in .32 and .380.
Stoeger's (aka Mitchell's) Luger in stainless steel, made in Houston TX, are nearly exact copies of the original German P08, but are made of so soft a metal it might as well be aluminum. And look like a Luger with a terminally severe buff job.

08-17-2007, 09:57 PM	#1
thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	navy arms co. Can anyone tell me the story of the Luger and Navy Arms Co. I cant find any information on a .22 Luger from Navy Arms Co. Thanks in advanced, Ken

08-17-2007, 10:26 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Ken, welcome to the forum. I have never heard of a luger made by Navy Arms Co. I am assuming you are talking about the luger "look-a-likes" that look like lugers but are not true lugers? Stoeger had a 22 luger and there was a look a like that was a carbine. Actual lugers were made in 7.65mm and in 9mm, all prior to WW2. Mauser re-did the luger in the 1970's and then there were other post-war lugers made (but in 9mm). This is navy arms, they make recreations of american arms, but I did not see anything on lugers... http://www.navyarms.com/html/products.html __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-17-2007, 11:14 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	ken, what else does it say on the luger? Can you provide pictures? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	we'll try this Attached Images

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08-17-2007, 10:38 PM	#3
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Where did you come up with the name "Navy Arms Co.?" It has nothing to do with Lugers. Are you possibly referring to a "Navy Luger?"

08-17-2007, 10:57 PM	#4
thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey thanks Edward for the welcome,I went to the navy arms website about a month ago and couldn't find nothing on this luger.22 When I seen the word LUGER on the gun the haggling was on and ended up trading a 3 year old colman 18 volt drill and circular saw.....so i'm at websites looking at lugers for sale and the jaw is dropping as I'm looking at prices and then seeing a sale for a 22 kit for 1200.00??whats up with that?...but anyways I was just in AWW.....but i come here and maybe I would find category of navy lugers..hehe.....that was over quick...so i'm pretty much at a loss.but thanks for the welcome and the info. Ken

08-17-2007, 10:58 PM	#5
thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It says Navy Arms Co. on the Luger

08-17-2007, 11:50 PM	#7
thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	NAVY ARMS CO: RIDGEFIELD. N.J. USA .22 L.R ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THIS: (((LUGER))) REG OR REQ US PAT OFF On the top it has a cross hairs with 2 eagles in the middle I took pics but it says the file is to big...any ideas?

08-18-2007, 02:54 AM	#10
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	It looks like just like the Stoeger Luger .22. The Luger logo is the same as Stoeger's USA copyrighted. Could it have come from the same factory production ( maybe foreign) but have been imported and branded by Navy Arms prior to the Stoeger branded era ? Or possibly, Stoeger production, sold over-seas, and re-imported later by N.A.

08-18-2007, 09:49 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	After Stoeger discontinued making their .22lr luger copy, Navy Arms continued to market them. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-18-2007, 11:55 AM	#12
thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do I have the poor mans corvette??Would this have any value? Attached Thumbnails

08-18-2007, 11:57 AM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Ken, More like a Ford Fiesta... I see them sell in the $ 175-200 range around me...

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thekenbrothers User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	lol...thanks pete...we considered the Opel as the poor mans corvette...member the Opel?

08-18-2007, 12:27 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Yep...had two of the Opel GT's in the early 1970's. Great fun cars to drive...

08-18-2007, 12:27 PM	#17
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Gentleman got one of these in the box with spare magazine. Would take 250.00 for it shipped to your ffl.

08-19-2007, 01:08 AM	#18
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I've had my Stoeger 22lr since I was 13. I fell in love with Lugers before that, when I saw my uncles collection of (real) Lugers. I saved my money from odd jobs and it was the first gun I ever bought. It was purchased by my older brother who was old enough at the time. It was the only (Luger) I could afford. Since then I've shot thousands of rounds through it with no malfuntions. It's never jammed no matter what kind of ammo I put in it... whatever was on sale. It's also one of the most accurate guns I've shot, and I've shot plenty. I always here negative things about them and don't know why. I guess just because I'm bragging about it, the next time I shoot it , it'll explode. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

08-19-2007, 08:59 AM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	As far as most are concerned, these pistols only have value as shooters and best shot with high velocity .22LR, such as Super Vel. That said, they are still more reliable than the Erma .22 copies. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-20-2007, 07:43 PM	#20
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I had one, with an unnoticed hairline crack in the receiver right over the barrel, 'thought it was a mold seam, 'cause it was straight. It never fed reliably, was poorly engineered and constructed, IMHO. Sheet metal toggle parts, alloy frame (not too bad), steel barrel screwed into an alloy fork, (not too good ). The worst thing is the distorted shape of the rear of the gun. Big Ermas look no better. The shape of a real Luger is so refined and well balanced, that just any approximate copy is likely to look awful. The only Luger copy I have ever seen with a proportionally correct shape is the smaller Erma Luger KGP models KGP69 in .22LR, and the KGP68/a in .32 and .380. Stoeger's (aka Mitchell's) Luger in stainless steel, made in Houston TX, are nearly exact copies of the original German P08, but are made of so soft a metal it might as well be aluminum. And look like a Luger with a terminally severe buff job.