Ernst Th�¤lmann DDR Luger data request

[Dwight Gruber]

Iâ??m turning my attention to the Lugers produced by V.E.B. Ernest Th�¤lmann in East Germany in the 1950s, and this is a call for data.

Iâ??m looking for comprehensive descriptive information:

Serial Number
Stamped 1001 or not?
Barrel date (three digits)
What proofs are on:
â?¦barrel
â?¦receiver
â?¦frame (and location)
â?¦breechblock
â?¦center toggle
â?¦rear toggle
Police inspectorâ??s stamp (starburst-shield-number) if present
Center toggle mfg. stamp or not?
Lanyard loop or not?
â?¦lanyard relief milled into rear frame?
Stock lug or not?
Sear safety?
â?¦if not, is it drilled and milled for one?
Unit marks?
Magazine marks?
Any etched parts?
Any surplus (e.g. previous-era stamped) parts?
Any interesting details or comments?

Several of these guns have already been posted. I have recorded detailed information from sn. N1008 and N1030, and some info for sn 3798. I have a bit of information for sn 372. Sn N1043 is pictured in Marschall and sn 55 in Die Pistole 08, but other than being able to extract the numbers for these there is no other data.

I recall a discussion thread on one of the Forums which ended up including details on two of these guns, but thatâ??s not where the discussion started. I canâ??t seem to track this discussion down, if it rings a bell with anyone Iâ??d appreciate the link.

If you have one of these Lugers please post the information (and photographs if you have them), or email me dwightg@pacifier.com

Thanks to everyone for your forbearance on these data quests, and for your continued help.

--Dwight

[Lugerdoc]

Dwight, As the former owner of N1030, I did a bit of research on these. The only completely new production ones will be numbered in the range of N1000 to N1150. Any others are probably reworks of earlier lugers. As you probably know, there are also new production P38, numbered the same. I have several numbers of these to share, but have so far found no duplicate numbers shared by lugers & P38. You may want to finally establish if this range of 150 guns is shared by both (75 of each) or whether there were separate ranges of 150 each. TH

[Ron Smith]

Dwight,

From Mark Castel's website.

http://p38guns.com/AB9.htm

http://p38guns.com/EGLugerRig.htm

Another link from Jan's forum.

http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...rchTerms=Luger

Ron

[Dwight Gruber]

Guys,

Thanks for the info.

Tom, sn 3798--no N--was profiled on Jan Still's board a couple of years ago http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...ms=east,german It is pretty thoroughly photographed and is quite obviously all-new producton. Not sure what that means...

I'll be interested to see your serial numbers.

--Dwight

[Edward Tinker]

Dwight, I was under the impression that they were new production on purpose, to prove / show they were capable of doing so...

[Navy]

Dwight,

I have one but am on the road for the next few weeks; will ship you info when I get back to home station.

Tom A

[Dwight Gruber]

Tom,

I look forward to the info when it arrives, thanks much.

--Dwight